Ringeks unarmed.

[Guest]

Since a couple of months we've been working on the unarmed wrestling techniques of Sigmund Ringek, the translation from this website. How good is this translation? We've managed to understand lots of it but some is...confusing.

And there seems to be a misunderstanding in the translation when it says "Leg-breaks". The following techniques are aimed at the elbows and arms.

Hans.

[Jake_Norwood]

Forgive me if I'm off here, but what website is that?

Jake

[Tony_Indurante]

Jake,
He's talking about the wrestling section in the Ringeck tranlation on this site, in the Research and Reading section.

[Randall Pleasant]

Hans

The translation on this web site is one of the early translations, thus some of it is supect, but over all I think it is OK. Some of our scholars in Europe tells that there are problems with all current translations of Ringeck. Later in the year ARMA scholar David Lindholm of Sweden will be publishing a new translation of Ringeck that should address all of the problems.

[BengtAbrahamsson]

Martin Wierschin translated it as,counter techniques using the legs.
Bengt
EHCG

[Jake_Norwood]

Doh!

Thanks.

Jake

[Guest]

Hi,

in the original german the word "Beinbruch" can also be understood as "bonebreak". I`m sure this is meant by the quote of Ringeck.


Servus,

Alex

[Stuart McDermid]

Hi Hans,

In my opinion you have picked a manual that is particularly difficult to learn from when teaching yourself wrestling. Trying to learn unarmed combatives from the manual attributed to Ringeck is IMHO like trying to learn longsword from scratch using The Codex Wallerstein. ie. really difficult. Ringeck's manual has three wrestling sections penned in a different hand and is quite disjointed and difficult to turn into a system. Christian Tobler has done a wonderful job of putting the information into a more useful order and I recommend that even if you don't agree with his interpretation, Christian's book is required reading for those working with Ringeck.

Interestingly, The Codex is where I would start when trying to learn Medieval German Combatives as it has 95 plates that all have good text accompanying them. Just as importantly it shows the strikes and methods of defence against strikes not shown in any other manual I have seen from the period.
Cheers,
Stu.

[Shane Smith]

As Stu says,if you want to learn Ringeck,get Toblers book to complement the plates.

Fiore also provides a very concise and understandable source for unarmed combat.The techniques therein are VERY effective in application.I would highly recommend it for further study. I also highly recommend our own Keith Myers' book for anyone with an interest in medieval combatives. <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

[Guest]

Alex,
Perfect! That's what I suspected.

And to everyone else, thank you for good answers. I know Ringek is a tough manual to learn from but when you figure out things its sooo good!
we are constantly working on Fiore and soon also Codex Wallerstein.


Hans.

[Shane Smith]

Keep us informed as your scholarship in the field progresses! I always look forward to new and engaging theories and applications from the source-texts .

[Guest]

As you soon will learn, Swedes always attacks in small groups <img src="/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" />

So I just want to say that Ringneck is a very good manual. A lot of the techniques is perfectly clear fore me, but I have a friend that has problems interpretation the text, fore him the pictures in THE FLOWER OF BATTLES is a lot easer to understand.

Together we are almost like a normal human being <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

[TimSheetz]

By No means would I call myself a "grappler" but the Ringeck sections on Grappling seemed fairly clear to me for the most part... and particularly brutal.

I like that.

Tim

[Joachim Nilsson]

Hans,
since I am, as always, planning a visit to Falun to train with you guys I could bring the Codex wallerstein with me. That way we could try out some of the techniques in that one. Haven't really started working with them yet -since we (ARMA Gimo) are currently hard at work with Ringneck ourselves -but they seem great. And, as previously said, there is a LOT of material on unarmed combat in Wallerstein. Or have you guys obtained your own copy of it already?

[Guest]

Great!
I looked in Codex Wallerstein and found lots of good stuff, and that's only in the Unarmed section. Bring it with you.
I just wrote down some of the Ringek techniques, Thought we could do that on our next seminar in Uppsala.
By the way, nice tattoo....

Hans.