Alternate Krumphau?

[jeremy pace]

In recent sparring i have been using a movement that is similar to the Krump with great effect. I question, since i am sure this is not original as few things really are with swordsmanship, if there is any official documentation in the fechtbuchs about this cut?
Starting from abler left foot leads. As your opponent strikes mittlehau or oberhau push down on the pommel and wrench up with the fore hand aiming the tip towards your opponents wrist/hands/forearm with the false edge.
A lot of the same movements for Krump but different angle of attack from a different guard.... most importantly, it is very effective! If this has a formal name i would like to know it for class, but i also wanted to submit the info for any insights you may have. Thanks, Jer~

[Jake_Norwood]

Jeremy,

Is the blade moving straight up in a hoe-like motion or does it cross your body "crookedly?" If the former, than it's an unterhau as described in a number of places (one that sounds like Doebringer's Krawthacke, or "Garden Hoe," to me). If the latter, than it is a krump in my opinion.

Here's something that makes sense in a lot of languages other than english since about 1890--try not to think of the names of the cuts and guards (zornhau, krumphau, mittelhau) as nouns, but as adverbs.

It's not a wrath-cut it's a cut made wrathfully, or in a wrathful manner.
It's not a crooked-cut it's a cut made crookedly, or in a crooked manner
It's not the Ox-guard, it's a guard made in the manner of an ox, etc.

You'll find that many languages work like this, including most all eastern-european ones (see Lindholm's argument for Liechtenauer as an eastern European). Old English works kind of like this, as I would presume old german did.

Jake

[Randall Pleasant]

Jake

That makes a lot of sense.