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Dylan palmer
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cut and thrust sword

Postby Dylan palmer » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:57 pm

i have just finished my cut and thrust sword waster today and am begining to study the weapon. i am looking for period manuals(traslated) and articles that will help me understand this new weapon. currantly i have silver swetnam and the such but does any one know where i could find a english copy of Achille Marozzo

and perhaps a few drills to pracice with a single handed weapon.


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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Craig Peters » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:59 am

Well, if you wait patiently Dylan, you'll be able to access an English translation of di Grassi in the Armaria. I've heard some people claim that George Silver used a cut and thrust style sword. If so, the copy of Brief Instructions Upon My Paradoxes of Defence available here might not be a bad place to start.
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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Dylan palmer » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:22 pm

This was the first manual i have begun to read. and every one is right he does spend a great deal of time bashing the itaiian rapier. how ever alot of his advice is sound and has cleared up a great deal for me in wma in general.
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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Jake_Norwood » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:03 am

Once you've gotten past "Paradoxes" rapier-bashing check out "Brief instructions on my Paradoxes of Defence" also by Silver. That's much more of an instructional manual than the last.

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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Brian Hunt » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:52 am

here you go.

english translation without original plates.
mac9.ucc.nau.edu/manuscripts/marozzo-sca.pdf

pdf file of the original manuscript can be found here.
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~wew/fencing/manuals.html

hope this helps.

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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Matt_Bruskotter » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:21 am

I have a question. Could Meyer be considered to have a cut and thrust section? I see his rapier section appears to focus on the thrust, but could a Dussack be considered a cut-and-thrust sword? I mean this in regards to technique and not sword catagory. There's an obvious difference in appearance, but how about application? I'm running on pure ignorance here.
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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Brian Hunt » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:30 am

Dussack/Dusseggen = messer.

laters.

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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Dylan palmer » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:51 pm

There is alot of good advice and general concepts in the paradox but i agree the brief instructions hold the vast volume of the intructional text
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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Jake_Norwood » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:26 am

Meyer's Rapier is kinda like Agrippa's...it's an early rapier and there's still quite a bit of cutting in it. It's much more "cut and thrust" -ish than his dussack, IMO.

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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Allen Johnson » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:05 am

something closer to this:
http://www.armor.com/rapier164.html
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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:21 am

Matt,

Meyer's rapier chapter is IMO very much a C&amp;T one with both cuts and thrusts described in some detail.
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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Larissa Gordon » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:56 pm

http://www.musketeer.org/manuals/diGrassi/contents.htm

I came accross this once. I have no idea how good the translation is, but its something to work with.
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Re: cut and thrust sword

Postby Dylan palmer » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:43 pm

does any one know where a traslation of meyers rapier could be found i know of the pdf file from higgins musem but none of its traslated.
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