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Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby David_Knight » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:22 am

Just wanted to share some footage of me and one of my MMA partners drilling some throws from the bind out of Lindholm's Ringeck interpretation.

http://www.paulushectormair.com/ARMA/throw1.wmv
http://www.paulushectormair.com/ARMA/throw2.wmv
http://www.paulushectormair.com/ARMA/throw3.wmv
http://www.paulushectormair.com/ARMA/throw4.wmv
http://www.paulushectormair.com/ARMA/throw5.wmv

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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby Eric Allen » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:22 am

Well, I'm impressed!

One think I've wondered:
I noticed in your videos, it appears to me that the guy in grey would perform the initial strike, then seem to stop and wait to receive the throw. I've noticed much the same watching practice throws in other martial arts and self-defence classes.
What I would like to know is how does the dynamics of your opponent actively moving, often to avoid being thrown, affect how the throw works? I haven't done any throws of any sort, but I would think if I felt my opponent moving in to position to throw me (IF I knew what it felt like), I would try to do whatever I could to avoid it. I've just always wondered that.

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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby David_Knight » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:32 am

It's a good point. The purpose of these videos was to show the throws, so my partner was more passive than he would have been had we been sparring. Sometimes a textbook-perfect throw happens; more often it doesn't. I agree that this is a universal problem in martial arts. The only way to solve it is to compliment these sorts of drills by applying the throws during full-contact sparring.

For my MMA classes, I have us do a "king of the hill" throwing drill, where the king's job is to throw every contender, and the contender's job is to throw the king and become king himself. It very quickly shows how you can easily become unbalanced while throwing another. It also teaches you how to "feel" for a throw.

On the other hand, there are times when even a skilled training partner panics, hesitates, or reacts in such a way as to set himself up perfectly to be thrown.

Since all of the Ringeck throws can be performed empty-handed (obviously with some slight modification), I would recommend that every ARMA group with access to a safe throwing surface incorporate a "king of the hill" type drill into their routine.

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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby Gene Tausk » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:06 pm

Good work David.

The only critique I would have is on the third video, you (the person doing the throwing) might want to lower your center of gravity more to get more of a lift when doing the throw.

The ARMA Southsiders practices Petter's wrestling every class and next "semester" we are going to incorporate throws with swords.

As I said, nice job.

Definitely recommend a room with mats. It is a big help.

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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby Randall Pleasant » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:07 pm

David

Great videos! These are very good examples of Inverting as described by Ringeck and Goliath. With such a nice padded training room you should consider trying them as actual Durchlauffen (Running Through) throws in which you parry the Oberhau with a hanging as you run past the adversary to throw him, this gives you a lot more power as you use your forward momentum to slinging the adversary over your leg.
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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby G.MatthewWebb » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:30 pm

Thanks for posting the videos; they are a great learning tool. Your study group is doing great work.

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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby Derek Gulas » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:40 pm

David, those vids are awesome and the throws well executed. I always liked Ringen am Schwert best <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby Nathan Dexter » Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:27 pm

nice job,
I would like to see some of that used in sparring though
(geez, where do all you guys get all of the nice indoor training areas)
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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby Derek Wassom » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:18 am

Sweet. <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" /> Thanks, David.
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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby Mike Cartier » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:59 am

great stuff David
We will have to try and put some of that into practice in sparring when you come down again.
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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby JeanryChandler » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:45 pm

Those are really great videos David. Your form is excellent and the videos really help to demonstrate the technique. I really like the way ARMA-SFL has done a few examples of this type on video, it's very helpful.


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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby Derek Gulas » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:11 pm

"I would like to see some of that used in sparring though"

I've done it before and found it quite natural. Me and my traingin partner used to throw each other on the ground all the time in sparring. <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby John_Clements » Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:18 pm

Hey David, much better. But still too much pause between contact and execution, makes it look like your opponent is too accomondating (especialy when they know how to fall safely). It needs more instantaneous energy.
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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby jose viveros » Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:09 am

From chile thank you for the videos they were facilitating to us very much the study of these skills

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Re: Ringen am Schwert videos

Postby Jeffrey Hull » Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:58 pm

That was some good stuff. It was nice to see demonstration of ringen am schwert that one finds in Ringeck and elsewhere.
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