Meisterhauen

[Jared L. Cass]

Hi guys, good stuff we've got going on here.

Jeff, I really like that one! Not only is it an easy transition, but it proves to be a powerful blow. It's like, "so, I missed the top of my opponents hands with the original kramphau, but I then proceed to take them off from underneith" <img src="/forum/images/icons/cool.gif" alt="" />

Scott, of the three that you mentioned, the very very first one (top of the page) is the most comfortable for me. The others, especially the one with the second false edge cut, really seem to throw my balance off. That's what makes sword fighting so much fun though. What works for one guy may not work for another.

Tony, the transition to a left (?) ox is nice. That's the sort of movement my body [censored] the best... lot's of forward momentum with little steps off to the sides and at angles. It also makes it easy to close with the opponent, my favorite thing to do!

Jared L. Cass, Wisconsin

[Scott Anderson]

lets see if i can textfully clairify (not the easiest thing to do when i'm not 100% sure of all the terms).

my guess would be that even if you miss with the krumphau (and i'm assuming that's really only possible by moving too soon or getting hit) would be to step back where you started while transitioning through wrathful or roof and returning the strike, but that's just me.
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This would be a short-edge unterhau, like from boar's to wrath? I actually hadn't spent much thought on that option. I'll be trying it tonight. Unless you flipped the blade so that the false edge was open for a cut, though, this would be a wasted action, I think.

okay, step by step, you're in the crossed wrist, blade pointing more or less down position. from there sort of roll the blade back behind you (which can be usefull if your opponent tries a false edge cut from alber or wherever they ended), meanwhile step back and to the right with you're left foot (should be the trailing foot already), finish with a strong cut either straight down or down at an angle from wrath/woman, with the true edge. i really don't know how else to explain it. it combines a parry (sort of), void, and strike.

the third version would be to do the same thing but instead of cutting overhead you would pass through a sort of high tail (about chest high).

and i think i'd do this as a natural followthrough even if i hit, especially as about half of the miss scenarios with this end up with me dead so ... hope this helps

i think we're hoping to make it up the last saturday of the month, so we'll see. i'll have to show you what i mean in person there it's really hard to put this into words.

SPA

oh, and just to clarify, none of these are false edge (probably feel right from so long training with single edge blades)

[Jake_Norwood]

okay, step by step, you're in the crossed wrist, blade pointing more or less down position. from there sort of roll the blade back behind you (which can be usefull if your opponent tries a false edge cut from alber or wherever they ended), meanwhile step back and to the right with you're left foot (should be the trailing foot already), finish with a strong cut either straight down or down at an angle from wrath/woman, with the true edge. i really don't know how else to explain it. it combines a parry (sort of), void, and strike.

Oh...that's kinda cool. I didn't try that tonight, but I certainly will! Much clearer now.

I found that a false edge cut snapping out of the weak-x-guard to be very efficient, but a boar's tooth thrust less so. The hengen idea worked well, OTOH. Good stuff, good stuff.

Jake

[Jeffrey Hull]

JN:

In context of the idea of the dynamic (ie unstatic) ward, I guess the thing I suggested would itself briefly (milisecond?) bring the blade into and through a Schrankhut, I must admit, during that return arc that becomes an Unterhau.

By the way, this discussion is quite enjoyable, thank guys.

JH