Magister Andreas' longsword-messer Guide

[Matt_Bruskotter]

In Magister Andreas' guide, he shows the parallels of messer fencing to longsword fencing. They are basically the same. Longsword has five strikes, messer has six. My question is some discrepencies in his guide.

At the beginning it says...

The Ox is the same as the Steer guard. So they're broken with the Krump or the Rouser strike. I assume these to be performed the same.

The Plow and Boar are the same guard. They're broken with the Glancing or Restrainer strike. I also assume these to be the same.

Lower in the guide, it claims the Krumphau is the same as the waver AND restraining strike. What happened to the Rouser? I thought the Restraining Strike was the same as the Glancing Strike as it says above!

I understand that at least five of the six strikes in messer fecning are the same as the five strikes in longsword fencing. Can anyone clarify which strikes are the same as the longsword five strikes and how to perform the sixth strike?
Thanks.

[JeffGentry]

Hey Matt

There is a passage in Meyer were he say's something to the effect that a scheilhau is a crooked strike and all crossed hand strike's are crooked, this make's me curious, i'll have to reseasrch this further as i have not read Andreas, or any messer, and as far as i know messer is pretty much the same as messer.

As to your question i do not know.


Jeff

[Jeffrey Hull]

I think your observations are accurate.

So I sort of always took the Andreas concordance as being somewhat rough.

But I could be wrong. However, one looking for a trouble-free concordance does run into the sort of discrepancies you stated.