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The Last Master?

Postby PeteWalsh » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:29 pm

Recently came across this in a small, locally published book, the wonderfully entitled Circumcisions by Appointment: Life in Eighteenth Century Manchester, by Roy Westall, and thought it might be if interest.

QUARTER-STAFF AND BROADSWORD PLAY
Thomas Barritt (1743-1820), a local antiquary, lived in Hanging Ditch (in Manchester, England). Amongst his manuscripts he wrote the following curious narrative:

"When I was a boy about eight years old, a noted prize fighter came to Manchester, by name Thomas Barret, an old man, with his face cut and scarred all over, so that for the most part he went by the name of 'Old Chopping-block.' He taught the science of defence (or what I should think was sometimes offence), in a large room at the Old Boar's Head, Hyde Cross. While in town he articled with a stranger to show their feats of arms in public, in a yard near Salford Chapel; at which place I attended to see the exhibitionwhich was performed upon a stage in manner following:

First the champions entered the lists in their shirts, and bare-headed, with each a quarter-staff, about two yards long and as thick as the handle of a pikel. These they brandished and whirled about with surprising dexterity; not forgetting every now and then to reach each other a lusty souse upon the sides, shoulders, or head, which was no ways displeasing to the spectators. This exercise being ended, and a little time spent in refreshing, the combatants approached each other with basket-hilted broadswords, and each a target (i.e. a large shield or buckler) upon their left arm; seconds likewise being appointed, and upon the stage with poles, to prevent them going to extremeties.

In a little while both targets, not being covered with leather, were slit in pieces; and Old Chopping-block after this received a cut upon his cheek near the nose. He immediately returns the compliment, cutting his antagonist directly upon the brow; by which both their faces were almost covered in blood. After some few flourishes with their wepaons old Barret receives another wound on his face, near the former, which he seems not to approve; and spying an opening in his adversary, gives him such a slice on his forehead and with such earnestness, that the seconds, thinking it is not prudent that the business should be continued any longer, parted them.

This affair, however, not subsiding, a second challenge was given and place appointed, which was the Old Boar's Head yard, where I again attended a few days after. The fellows again mounted the stage with swords; but old Barret, taking the advantage, cut his antagonist in the side, which was declared unfair play. Thus the combat ended, which was the last sword-play I ever heard of in England. In some while after Thomas Barret went to Ireland, and there followed the same business, and in a combat received a cut in his belly, which let his bowels out and ended his days."

Anyone know anything about Barret or others of his ilk in that period?

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Postby Allen Johnson » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:52 am

havent heard of this but would be very interested in getting the book. I couldn't find it on amazon. Got a link to where it may be purchased?
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Very interesting

Postby Kyro_Lantsberger » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:20 am

I find a few things very interesting here.

I read a reviewer of Meyer mention that the Fechtschule in Meyer's time was not necessarily teaching civilian self defense, but rather being more like a training hall of a very brutal sport..........modern equivalent being a boxing/Muay Thai/MMA gym.

Whether or not that is true, there are things pointed to here that carry on some earlier tradition. I believe the goal in Dussack competition was to put a cut on the head of the opponent, and that is likewise seen here. For as brutal as the account is, it seems there are "gentleman's rules" in terms of not intentionally attempting killing cuts/thrusts.

Very interesting. Im not sure of the status of Epee/Foil fencers at this time. How would they see this? How brutal were those encounters. Im sensing a bit of class issue perhaps? Refined society has a sterile exercise in epee/foil while the drunken masses cheer at some very tough guys who love to exchange broadsword slaps?

Terrific account. Id like to see what some others with more historical knowledge have to say.

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Postby PeteWalsh » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:30 am

Allen

The book is published by Reword Publishers, website www.reword.co.uk

The extract I have quoted is the only bit inthe book relating to martial arts. The rest is snippets about life in Manchester in the 1700s, taken from old newspapers, manuscripts, etc.

Pete

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Postby JeffGentry » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:15 am

Hey Gent's

If we look at the info given, He was born in 1743 and witnessed this at 8 yr's old it would have taken place somewhere in 1751-2 depending on when the author was born and it is about the right period of time for prize fighting, 1743 was when the "sport" of boxing, with certain rule's, was coming into it's own and we do have other account's of prize fighting in earlier time's with sword and dusack.

By virtue of that i could see this being a true account, and an interesting one at that.

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Postby Allen Johnson » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:34 am

PeteWalsh wrote:Allen

The book is published by Reword Publishers, website www.reword.co.uk

The extract I have quoted is the only bit inthe book relating to martial arts. The rest is snippets about life in Manchester in the 1700s, taken from old newspapers, manuscripts, etc.

Pete


Thanks.
So is that title you included in your first post "Quarterstaff and Broadsword Play" just a mini title within in a book or a reference to another book with that title?
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Postby PeteWalsh » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:52 am

It's a mini title or heading within the book.

I wonder how many of these itinerant "masters" there were like Old Chopping-block, wandering the country practising their dying art. A little like the displaced samurai of Japan in Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai. What tales they could have told.



Allen Johnson wrote:
PeteWalsh wrote:Allen

The book is published by Reword Publishers, website www.reword.co.uk

The extract I have quoted is the only bit inthe book relating to martial arts. The rest is snippets about life in Manchester in the 1700s, taken from old newspapers, manuscripts, etc.

Pete


Thanks.
So is that title you included in your first post "Quarterstaff and Broadsword Play" just a mini title within in a book or a reference to another book with that title?

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Excellent

Postby John_Clements » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:33 am

That's fascinating, thanks for sharing.
There are a few other similiar accounts of late 17th century English gladiatorial Prize fights.

Can you give us the page number for that material, please?

JC

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Re: Excellent

Postby PeteWalsh » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:53 am

Hi John

pp 61-63

Pete



John_Clements wrote:That's fascinating, thanks for sharing.
There are a few other similiar accounts of late 17th century English gladiatorial Prize fights.

Can you give us the page number for that material, please?

JC

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Re: Excellent

Postby John_Clements » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:38 pm

Thank you. Most grateful.

JC


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