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Blunt question- search has proved fruitless

Postby Cory Watkins » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:41 pm

After looking for a very long time with every combination i could think of, ive come up with a few negative comments made offhandedly, and not much else.

Are starfire swords decent blunts? I own one that was bougght as a display many years ago, and they seem to be durable enough, but im unshure of etiher there historical accuracy or suitability, much less quality. I can pick one up localy in a few months if thats what i was going to get for a blunt( they have a dealer at a ren fair i go to for a good laugh) . Other than that, im looking for suggestions.

Im going to introduce myself and get started with a group here at A&M on sunday, and am looking forward to it greatly.

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Postby Will Adamson » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:36 pm

I asked about this not too long ago and was told by John Clements that they were not swords, but swordlike objects. I handled one as well last year before I really got into this. It felt heavy to me then, and after having handled a few good pieces at John's studio in Atlanta I can tell you that it was a real clunker. Heavy, thick edged things like that are made to endure the edge on edge parrying of stage combat.

Handle a few at the study group meeting, then decide. I have yet to get my "good" sword. I do have a halfway decent MRL longsword. It does fairly well on milk jugs and such.
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Postby Cory Watkins » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:05 pm

I was thinking that(the one i have is very thick...) but it was worth asking.


Im probably going to save for a bit before i buy one, i like the looks and the commentary on the maestro line from albion ive seen on this forum

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Postby Allen Johnson » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:44 am

I used a few in a theatre production way back. They were really horrible. Heavy, unbalanced, and just plain ugly. I consider even MRL and CAS Iberia (Hanwei) to be superior to Starfire.
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Postby Shane Smith » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:48 am

Starfires are not suitable for any purpose save ahisorical edge banging. They don't heft like swords and they don't handle like them either.

I recommend Lutel or Albion for quality blunts. Even the Chen practical line can be workable for about a hundred dollars.
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Postby Cory Watkins » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:48 am

i think im going to start saving and buy a maestro from albion. It will get me time to get used to WMA's , and it will be a better option than the cheaper ones (at least i think...)

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Postby Eric Allen » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:34 am

Good equipment can make a lot of difference. There are just certain things about how a good sword actually works and handles that, if not present in a simulator or SLO, can lead to bad habits and bad impressions.

If you're looking at blunts, I assume you already have a waster? If not, I personally would recommend you purchase or make a good waster first (the local study group you alluded to, and us here on the forum, will be able to help you there). A good waster will allow you to "get used to" how a longsword moves and behaves while you save for that Albion Maestro.

[soapbox] One of the most striking things I've noticed and heard from people in my limited experience dealing with friends, coworkers, and other interested parties who have little to no knowledge about medieval/renaisance weapons in just how much they do NOT expect from a weapon. When I hand them my NSA waster or a reproduction sword, almost invariably, their first comment is something like "Wow! that's not heavy at all!" or "Wow! That's not too bad!"
At the last RenFaire I went to, a young lady, who admitted to having never held a sword in her life, was handed a replica rapier at the Arms 7 armor booth. She held it like a hammer and commented something silly like "I think I can get used to this." I reccomended she slip a finger over the quillion (into the finger ring). She did so, and her eyes got notisably HUGE as she suddenly realized what a tremendous difference such a simple change makes. [steps off soapbox]

(I just ordered a Maestro-line Liechtenauer last night 8) Now for the waiting...)

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Postby Cory Watkins » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:24 pm

Are the cheap wasters there offering on ebay at the moment worht looking at? for 40$, will they be acceptable to get started with(i have not gotten to meet with the study group yet, real life intervenes.

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Postby Randall Pleasant » Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:28 am

Cory Watkins wrote:Are the cheap wasters there offering on ebay at the moment worht looking at? for 40$, will they be acceptable to get started with(i have not gotten to meet with the study group yet, real life intervenes.


No! I have never seen a quality waster on ebay. The stuff I see on eBay was made for dress up, not for high impact martial arts training. Much better to save up and buy a quality waster.

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Postby Mike Cartier » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:45 am

The paul chen practical hand and half is my suggestion, you can have it delivered for about $120 which is very good considering its by far better than anything i have bought from MRL for 2-3 times the price. I bang it alot too and it holds up well.

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Cory Watkins wrote:Are the cheap wasters there offering on ebay at the moment worht looking at? for 40$, will they be acceptable to get started with(i have not gotten to meet with the study group yet, real life intervenes.


No! I have never seen a quality waster on ebay. The stuff I see on eBay was made for dress up, not for high impact martial arts training. Much better to save up and buy a quality waster.

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Postby Randall Pleasant » Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:25 pm

Mike Cartier wrote:The paul chen practical hand and half is my suggestion, you can have it delivered for about $120 which is very good considering its by far better than anything i have bought from MRL for 2-3 times the price. I bang it alot too and it holds up well.


I agree with Mike. I own the Paul Chen (PC) Practical hand & half, the Practical Knight, and the Practical Viking. All three of these swords are very good for their price.
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