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Please Define this cut.

Postby Corey Roberts » Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:15 pm

What is the term for a rising diagonal Unterhau as can be made from Nebenhut which ends in left Ochs? I can't remember the name for this cut.

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Postby Shane Smith » Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:08 pm

I call it a rising diagonal unterhau to ochs :lol:
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Postby J. F. McBrayer » Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:01 am

I'd call it a sottano mandritto.
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Postby Jeffrey Hull » Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:11 am

Unterhau zu linkem Ochs.
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Postby Jake_Norwood » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:51 am

It would just be an unterhau or unterschnitt with the long edge (as opposed to the other two ways of performing an unterhau that use the short edge from that position).

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Postby Richard Strey » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:28 am

Jake_Norwood wrote:It would just be an unterhau or unterschnitt with the long edge (as opposed to the other two ways of performing an unterhau that use the short edge from that position).

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As has been said before, the name of the cut would just be Unterhau (lit. Undercut), as it is a cut from below. That's all the naming there is, so usually, one would add something like the line it travels (Meyer might add the Unterhau goes along the Zornlinie) or start and ending guards. The latter might also indicate the edge used.
Jeffrey, that'd be an Unterhau zum (= zu dem) linken Ochs or Unterhau in den linken Ochs. Just nitpicking. :wink:

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Postby Jeffrey Hull » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:00 am

Then how about:

Unterhau aus der rechten Nebenhut entlang der Zornlinie zu dem linken Ochse?

That way, we can say it with 22 syllables compared to the 6 of the Italian phrase; while using the archaic form of "ox" as well; yet we know precisely what we are talking about.

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Postby Richard Strey » Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:26 pm

Jeffrey Hull wrote:Then how about:

Unterhau aus der rechten Nebenhut entlang der Zornlinie zu dem linken Ochse?

That way, we can say it with 22 syllables compared to the 6 of the Italian phrase; while using the archaic form of "ox" as well; yet we know precisely what we are talking about.

:wink: :twisted: :lol:

That, sir, would be perfect. And looking at my beginners class today it is perfectly valid to double up on the information (starting and finishing position, plus trajectory) provided, since only half of it seems to reach the audience's ears at any given time anyway. :roll:
Ah... unless you are talking about Meyer -or using his vocabulary-, of course. In that case calling it the "right Nebenhut" is not neccessary. There is only one. The Nebenhut-like guard on the left side is called the Wechsel. :wink:

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Postby philippewillaume » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:31 am

I would say it is a Zwerch, if we are striking at something of course. One could argue that it is just taking the ox, if we do not strike at anything.

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