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Kevin Peterson
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Plastic wasters are now in production!!

Postby Kevin Peterson » Wed May 23, 2007 9:45 pm

I am happy to announce that With Intent Wasters has started production of wasters. Eric has been working hard to make sure that he can meet production need in a reasonable time frame, and he is ready now. The website is up and running and there are currently three ways to order. E-mail, an order form you can download and print, and an online printable order form. At this time he is only accepting cashier's check and money orders, but should able to accept credit cards in the near future.

Eric is already working on new designs, including an arming sword, messer, and a dussack. These should be available soon, so check back often.

The website address is:

http://www.freewebs.com/wiwasters

If you encounter any problems with the site, please let us know so we can fix it.

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Benjamin Smith
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Postby Benjamin Smith » Wed May 23, 2007 10:18 pm

Awesome!! The price seems to have gone down a notch from when I last spoke with him. This actually makes getting one an option for me.
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Postby JeremyDillon » Thu May 24, 2007 2:05 am

Great! I've been looking forward to these becoming available! Are you planning on producing a c&t waster?

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Postby Matthew_Anderson » Thu May 24, 2007 6:08 am

I couldn't get the website to load but I look forward to trying these. I usually make my own wooden wasters since they tend to break/wear out rather quickly and I hate to spend the big $$$ for commercially made ones. With these, however, it seems they will last virtually forever and I hear they play much better against each other and are safer. Are they OK to use against wooden wasters, or is is best to keep it nylon to nylon? Will there be some for sale at the International Event?
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Aaron Pynenberg
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Postby Aaron Pynenberg » Thu May 24, 2007 6:44 am

Matt, it is best to keep the plastic with the plastic. In our trials this just plays better. It is possible to use wood with plastic but you will see that there is a disparity between the two mediums. The "like steel" feel comes when you keep the plastic together.

Just a quick word also on the use of these. I saw on a diffrent forum, where a Military Trainer, (of all people) was seriously against the use of plastic saying things like they are "ridiculous", knocking the color of them.

I find these kinds of comments ignorant and silly. These are simply tools, that add to our practice routines. They are not meant to replace wood wasters. Wood still has a place in our art and there are some effects that wood simulates better.

To ignore the benefits of these plastic swords however, is really stupid. Police and Military trainers worldwide use a form of a paint ball gun called "simunitions" these guns mimick our service weapons by expending a small paint "bullet" at the target, which does have a pain penalty and marks the shot. These guns have a light blue colored top slide to destiguish them. They are used in conjuction with actual firearms training.

I draw the same conclusion with our practice weapons and think they are just an additional step, not a replacement for anything.

Eric will be at the International event, taking orders and having some stock on-hand to sell. He also has put up a set of longswords as door-prizes. As serious practicioners, I encourage each of you to look at these tools as just another training method, but also a step in the right direction for our art. Here is a tool made by a practicioner, with you in mind. He has incorporated about a year's worth of trail and error and constant feedback from us. He is a perfectionist and each sword is made to the same standards.

That's all I have to add, so good luck Eric!

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Postby Will Adamson » Thu May 24, 2007 6:57 am

Aaron Pynenberg wrote:Just a quick word also on the use of these. I saw on a diffrent forum, where a Military Trainer, (of all people) was seriously against the use of plastic saying things like they are "ridiculous", knocking the color of them.


I remember seeing that guys posts. He was complaining about the use of modern materials in training weapons and at the same time extoling the use of modern materials for protective gear. I think he was just trying to find a way to knock something that he didn't come up with first.

I'll bet Eric is going to be quite busy for the next few months. I'm ready to order mine!
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Re: Plastic wasters are now in production!!

Postby Gene Tausk » Thu May 24, 2007 8:52 am

Kevin Peterson wrote:I am happy to announce that With Intent Wasters has started production of wasters. Eric has been working hard to make sure that he can meet production need in a reasonable time frame, and he is ready now. The website is up and running and there are currently three ways to order. E-mail, an order form you can download and print, and an online printable order form. At this time he is only accepting cashier's check and money orders, but should able to accept credit cards in the near future.

Eric is already working on new designs, including an arming sword, messer, and a dussack. These should be available soon, so check back often.

The website address is:

http://www.freewebs.com/wiwasters

If you encounter any problems with the site, please let us know so we can fix it.

Thanks
Kevin Peterson


The Houston Southside group has been using Eric's wasters for several months now and we recommend them highly. They are durable, excellent for sparring and well made.

Glad to see that the production line is up and running!
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Scott Hanson
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Postby Scott Hanson » Thu May 24, 2007 11:40 am

That's great news! Nice looking website, too. I would consider spelling out "Asian Martial Arts" in the About section though. Some people might wonder.

Also, have you considered posting anything on MyArmory Kevin? I know there was a fair amount of interest there.

Wish Eric good luck for me!
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Postby Sam Nankivell » Thu May 24, 2007 5:25 pm

Before I order one of these, I would like to know how long the wasters are. What is the overall length of one and how long is the blade?
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Postby Sam Nankivell » Thu May 24, 2007 6:46 pm

Sam Nankivell wrote:Before I order one of these, I would like to know how long the wasters are. What is the overall length of one and how long is the blade?


I would also like to know the average weight of one of these wasters.
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Postby Nathan Dexter » Thu May 24, 2007 9:17 pm

I'm sure we can all agree that we've been waiting for a while for these, and one will have to be thrown into my budget! :D :D :D
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Postby Benjamin Smith » Fri May 25, 2007 8:19 am

Their length and other basic dimensions I gathered from the photo with the Albion Liechtenauer they are 48" long and appear to have 10" crosses. I don't know about the weight and balance, though the people who've used them have told me it's pretty good.
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Postby Sam Nankivell » Fri May 25, 2007 2:09 pm

Benjamin Smith wrote:Their length and other basic dimensions I gathered from the photo with the Albion Liechtenauer they are 48" long and appear to have 10" crosses. I don't know about the weight and balance, though the people who've used them have told me it's pretty good.


Umm... I checked and the Albion site, and I can't seem to find the "Liechtenhauer" model of which you speak. The model in the photo seems to resemble Albion's "Talhoffer" model. This means the wasters seem to be around 46" in length with a 36" blade.
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Postby Max Lancaster » Fri May 25, 2007 2:22 pm

They don't have the lenth of them on the site?

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Postby Sam Nankivell » Fri May 25, 2007 4:35 pm

Max Lancaster wrote:They don't have the lenth of them on the site?


Strangely enough, no.

I would definitely recommend posting several things about the wasters on the With Intent website:
a) Overall length
b) Blade length
c) Guard length
d) Weight

I find it much more reassuring when a waster or sword manufacturer posts specs. on their site. It makes it seem more legitimate and comforts the buyer, since it seems most of the more unscrupulous vendors don't post any specs. (Not that With Intent Wasters are unscrupulous of course!)
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