The ARMA and everyone else.

[Andrea Lupo Sinclair]

Sir, do not make me to waste any further time, please.

My reply has already written and I do not change it according to temporary conveniences. It was not me to attack you. And I have no idea of who you are.

As written, any further request of "clarifications" or other stuff, only through private messages.

[Matt Rovaris]

Au contraire. This has been very educational for all here on this forum, and if you're only prepared to discuss on PM the credentials that you claim openly, then... I'm sure everyone here can draw his or her own conclusions.

Since you are obviously irredeemable, I trust that this thread at has at least confirmed to ARMA members and other lurkers that lying about one's credentials leads even an European sword teacher and his students chin-deep into muck, like it would an Eastern sword teacher.

For chin-deep in muck is where your name is, whether you go by Lupo, Sinclair or whatever other surname you'll ever fancy to embellish your obviously unexciting life.

[Gianluca Zanini]

Dear All,



But it seems that Mr. Zanini didn’t care about those explanations, and goes on repeating this stuff somewhere else. Interesting that at the same time he plays the “polite one” in direct talk with me on another Forum in Italian!

Well, lets speak about politness then:
I am always speak politely, even with you, when we discussed about technical demonstration and fencing skill.
And I give everyone the due respect as a Gentleman first, second the due respect for Fighter/Fencer as much as one deserve.
Regarding the Italian forum you forgot to say how "polite" we were when we post J.Clements's reply to the amount
of disreputes you cast over ARMA and JC in person, as well as the whole US community(which has feeded you so far), dont you?
Of course then you rushed to the moderator in order to cancel that post, and you for sure make him cancel all the evidence of
the poppycock you did by thinking that nobody could read your "politeness" post, as you did on western-arts newsgroup years ago.
Fortunately everything was recorded and I could even call out JC as witness.

look at this link(of course already burked) :
http://www.forumartimarziali.com/forum/ ... ic=16836.0

Lupo wrote:
"Il fondatore lo conosco di persona. Incontrato ad Houston nel 2000. Un tipetto un po' sbruffone, cultura (anche schermistica) zero, ma almeno - visti gli standards olteoceano - fisicamente ben allenato e capace di muoversi con energia e tempismo.
I know the founder in person he si a little braggart, culture zero(even with fencing), but at least after seeing the american standard, phisically well trained, moving with energy and timing.

Qualità tecniche...zero assoluto. Rapido a saltellare e niente altro.
Techincal quality zero. Quick in skipping and nothing else.

Negli USA, va detto, si è distinto per comportamenti molto poco simpatici in numerosi eventi, ed è molto odiato, ma gli ostracismi di certi personaggi olteoceano vanno a tutti coloro che non si adeguano ai loro conformismi ottusi e pieni di invidia, ed il tipo in questione, è uno un po' fuori dalle righe.
it has to be said in the usa he distinguished for a not very nice behavior in varios events, he is very hated, but the ostracism of every figure over-the-ocean are directed to all those who do not conform to their envious and obtuse ortodoxy,
and the guy in question, is a little bit out-of-the-rail.

Non vale gran che, ma in America figura come molto "forte", dato che "tra i ciechi l'orbo è re"...
He does not worth a lot, but in the USA is considered "strong", as "the one-eyed is a king among the blinds"...


Il video è non dei peggiori che ho visto, ma non è certo "rapier fencing". E' un po' il solito interstyle a movimenti liberi tipico dei vari "Armaioli".
the video is the worsth I ever seen, but it is not rapier fencing. It is the same interstyle freestyle tipical of the various "armor maker"

Credo Carletto ne conosca elementi un po' più seri. Io non ho contatti con loro.
I believe carletto knows elements more serious(schola gladiatoria). I have no contact with them."

Everybody could see now how many faces a man can show.
He call all of you americans "blinds" and JC your "king", and then he stated further on:

Then, about ARMA: I have nothing against it. I disagree with some of the interpretations, styles and approach, as anybody freely can do, but I have a direct personal knowledge of the ARMA only from the SSI event in 2000 in Houston when I only had a polite talk with Mr. Clementini about the Sidesword and Early Rapier.

Is this the "polite-one" behaviour under which you are tryng to hide your ambigous nature?

The ridiculous statement about the “challenges”: we (FISAS) since 2001 perform a rapier tournament opened to everybody. None of the people talking here have ever been in that tournament.
Recently there was a contact to think to a new tournaments amongst groups in Italy, but after such a garbage thrown by some members of one of these groups, I do not think there will be a productive follow up.

http://www.forumartimarziali.com/forum/ ... c=20718.45

It does not seem to be a collaborative tournament what come out from a post,regarding our videoclip,
where you cast over your authorities and polite scorn.

Lupo wrote
Ho capito cosa stai dicendo sai?
Ma Se la cosa si fa per davvero, chiedo che il vs. caposcuola mi contatti...chiaro?
Nessun problema poi a rendere pubblica la cosa, regole comprese...anzi.

I understand what you are saying, you know?
But if this things is going to be true, I ask your leader cantact me...right?
No problem to public the thing, rules included, not at all.

We challenge you with your four blades and rules, and you immediately excluded to be involved in any one-an-a-half sword tournament in "any case".
Then you asked for a "private agreement" as usual in order to smoothen the question out and try to set a question with that polite oratory
for which you would deserve a title of unbroken living tradition since the greek Socrates.

Gianluca Zanini
www.novascrimia.com

[Paul Macdonald]

Dear All,

It gives me no pleasure or satisfaction to keep answering to blinkered accusations by men who do not know me.

Several times, my own sense of judgement and personal accountability has been called into question here. Suggestions that I have simply followed Mo. Sinclair blindly, on good faith, like a child naieve in the World and I have been caught up in some big grown-up game of deceit.

Presumption is a blind judge.

Those that do know me, know that when it comes to the Art, I do not suffer fools gladly and that I will make sacrifices in order to protect the integrity of my students and my reputation.

I also knowingly choose with whom to associate in this World and carry my own sense of judgement in order to do so.
My choice of personal and professional associates are based upon the very values that Mo. Sinclair has stated, namely - "experience, knowledge, humanity, reciprocal respect, that are the only qualities we recognize as honourables."

I shall stand here no more to receive personal insult and accusation from men who clearly have no want nor care to share any of the above values with myself or my associates.

Yours Very Truly,

Macdonald

[Francisco Uribe]

So Mr. Sinclair,
can you provide actual credentials, recognized by aknowleged serious fencing bodies?
or all you can do is to whine about a somewhat confusing post (by the author's aknowledgement?
Is that all you have to prove your claims?

It may be very possible that you are very knwoledgable in the praxis and theory of fencing.
My question is why the need of recurring to all these shady resources?

[Francisco Uribe]

Dear All,

It gives me no pleasure or satisfaction to keep answering to blinkered accusations by men who do not know me.

Well, you have dragged us along several pages refusing to set straight several points regarding your persona, simple questions to which you have offered different answer ranging from the philosophical and metaphysical, to some that are downright contradictory.

IF you would just straightly answer the questions that would satisfactorily put off any inquiries.

Those that do know me, know that when it comes to the Art, I do not suffer fools gladly and that I will make sacrifices in order to protect the integrity of my students and my reputation.

Well, Mr. McDonald, to lie is not the way to get to that destination.

I also knowingly choose with whom to associate in this World and carry my own sense of judgement in order to do so.

Then if you were aware that Loriega is a fraud... why didi you agreed to give him a maestro recognition (that not even his fictional master did)
If you were not aware of Loriega's deception, why you do not delve into this matter deeper and act accordingly?

quote]
My choice of personal and professional associates are based upon the very values that Mo. Sinclair has stated, namely - "experience, knowledge, humanity, reciprocal respect, that are the only qualities we recognize as honourables."[/quote]

It would really help if you wouldn refrain from tired cliches.

I shall stand here no more to receive personal insult and accusation from men who clearly have no want nor care to share any of the above values with myself or my associates.

So inquiering for the truth is an attack on all that is good and right?
"If you are not with me, you are against me!!!???
Laughable

Yours Very Truly

,

Sorry. Very, very hard to believe.

[Michael Eging]

Mr. Lupo and Mr. MacDonald, I think clarity is really the issue here. Tough questions, yes. But when the answers focus on circular rhetoric and metaphysical allusions, we have difficulty seeing clearly. Maybe what we see more clearly is your view of the world and it seems fuzzy to us.

I had questions raised just from a scan of the site, as I don't read Italian, that I hope you can explain for me. I am interested in the curriculum, and most interested in what seemed to be a mixing of modern sport weaponry with more historical weapons. I saw this in a few of the photos on the site. Can someone explain this form of cross training? Or was it trying to capture something for the website. I was trying to figure it out.

Thanks.

Mike

[Will Adamson]

Google can translate the site, although as computer translations usually go, it's still got some funky wording. Just enter the site as if you were doing a regular search for it, then you should see a link for a translation.

[Matt Rovaris]

Forget clarity, because you will not get it from these chaps, and I am unfortunately including Mc Donald in this, who seems content to be joined at the hip with Mr Lupo in their childish game.

I think JC nailed it, since he probably has had a run in with these fellows.

Any further questions for clarification are going to be met with the squid-like behavior of squirting a little cloud of black ink to fuzz things up and floating away from the issue. The burden of proof was on them, and they have not met it even after 16 pages of diatribe. Nice way to behave as grownups, gentlemen, nice indeed.

There's only one thing that gives me an itch more than liars: it's liars who moan about the world when this fails to revolve around them.

Thank you everybody (mostly everybody I guess) for a constructive discussion. Over and out.

[Stephen Kilbane]

IF you would just straightly answer the questions that would satisfactorily put off any inquiries.

You mean like this: http://www.thearma.org/forum/viewtopic. ... 7262#27262 ?

(handy link for those who've only recently tuned in during the last few pages. No disrespect intended to the moderators after the warning back on page 11.)

steve

[Francisco Uribe]

You mean like this: http://www.thearma.org/forum/viewtopic. ... 7262#27262 ?
steve

In part, since at least in his answers to you he did not take as many detours as in the ones he gave me.

Nontheless, for example, it is still contradictory that when I asked what was the governing body that examined him and granted his "maestro title" he said it was Fisas.
Later on, he says to you that he did not take any formal examination and he was aknowledged by Mr. Sinclair... who incidentally makes the same sort of extraordinary claims regarding his own persona.

And Stephen, I did read your interview of Mr. McDonald.
I guess everybody with some interest in the truth did.

[Matt Rovaris]

Stephen Kilbane, I can't believe you'd actually remind us of this idiocy:

Q. So your [Mc Donald's] Master-at-Arms certification is effectually Andrea Sinclair's declaration of recognition that you are his peer, in the teaching of the Art?
A. Yes.

Q. And your acceptance and use of it is the same - recognition of Andrea's proficency?
A. Yes.

...So, by the authority invested in me by the state of Never-Never land, I hereby declare you Maestro and Maestra. You may now kiss each other's rear ends. Ladies and gentlemen: the Maestri Andrea and Paul Sinclair.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, which after this thread is saying A LOT! What a bunch of clowns you are.

[Stephen Kilbane]

Nontheless, for example, it is still contradictory that when I asked what was the governing body that examined him and granted his "maestro title" he said it was Fisas.

Actually, his answer to you was that the source of his title was FISAS; you interpreted that to mean that an examination took place, but that's not what he said.

And Stephen, I did read your interview of Mr. McDonald.

I know you did, because of the posts that followed. I re-posted the link because posts over the past couple of days seemed to be implying that none of these questions had been answered thoughout the course of the thread. Again, I'm not trying to convince; I'm just trying to keep clear who's said what - especially since tempers seem to be fraying somewhat.

steve

[Stephen Kilbane]

Stephen Kilbane, I can't believe you'd actually remind us of this idiocy:

Q. So your [Mc Donald's] Master-at-Arms certification is effectually Andrea Sinclair's declaration of recognition that you are his peer, in the teaching of the Art?
A. Yes.

Q. And your acceptance and use of it is the same - recognition of Andrea's proficency?
A. Yes.

...So, by the authority invested in me by the state of Never-Never land, I hereby declare you Maestro and Maestra. You may now kiss each other's rear ends. Ladies and gentlemen: the Maestri Andrea and Paul Sinclair.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, which after this thread is saying A LOT! What a bunch of clowns you are.

I'm curious: have you ever received a qualification from some organisation? If so, did you accept it?

Over in the UK, we've just had one of the occasional honours days, wherein the Queen grants knighthoods, etc. As with other years, some people refused to accept such honours - sometimes because they have serious objections to the organisation (the UK Government) that offers them.

One can buy university degrees over the internet, though the reputation of the universities in question isn't exactly Ivy League.

The point here is that the granting and accepting of *any* qualification contains some two-way acceptance of the qualification. In the earlier post, I was explaining that Macdonald wouldn't have accepted said title from Sinclair unless Macdonald felt that Sinclair was entitled to grant it, and that he felt he could accept it honestly.

steve

[Matt Rovaris]

No, Stephen, that's not how things work in the real world, mate.

For any two or three chaps to get together and, in a fit of mutual camaraderie grant each other a title THAT EVERYONE ELSE MUST EARN FORMALLY, IN FRONT OF AN IMPARTIAL BOARD is bollocks, and if you have any sense of reality you too know it. So you're being either clueless or dishonest or both.

Please don't go on insluting everyone's intelligence here. There are some established truths, and no amount of lies, half truths, circular logic and pathetic shell games on you and your mates' part will pull wool over anyone's eyes.

By the last forum count, this thread received over 18.500 views, which means that hundreds, if not thousands of people have read it. Believe you me when I say that anyone normal who knows how to p!ss straight will have no trouble seeing the truth, and if I were your mates I'd be red with shame. Take my advice: belt up and quietly distance yourself from this bad lot.