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Brent Lambell
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Postby Brent Lambell » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:56 pm

Their website states that most of the longswords weigh in at 2 pounds 2 ounces and one is 2 pounds 4 ounces. Seems a little light to me, but from what I hear they handle great. It sounds like you can put a little more *umf* into them and the flexy is good, Im going to give one a try.

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Postby Jake_Norwood » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:31 am

That's on the light-but-realistic side of a 48" steel sword, is it not?

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Postby Aaron Pynenberg » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:26 am

There are many folks who have questions about these tools, but the one point that needs to be repeated is this:

These tools are only one part of the overall picture of RMA. They will help us to better simulate combat with steel in several ways:
1- they flex
2-they slide
3-they are safer than wood
4-they can be fashioned easier than wood offering more possibilities
5-they last a long time compared to wood
6-they are easier to maintain

there are some negatives:
1-they slide a little too much
2-they are not historical
3-they can be broken if abused-(although it's difficult)

So, all in all it's up to each of us to use them as we see them fit into our respective programs, but this is a tool, and thus has advantages and disadvantages. It is not a replacement for a wood waster, it is just much diffrent than a waster. -

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Postby Alexander Pierre » Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:08 am

Hi folks,

You might have noticed it, but for the ones who don't take a regular look at the HEMA youtube group, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hBPv8GdS_Y

"Like steel waster" poduced by AEEA (Spain), they look quite good to me...more info in a week apparently.

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Alexander

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Postby Jaron Bernstein » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:22 pm

I can't speak for the ones on you tube, but the WI plastics have been in heavy usage in our study group and perform superbly.

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Postby Grant Hall » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:59 am

Hey there, I have a few questions regarding the WI Wasters.

First: I am a big guy and I like my swords big, after training with the longsword I hope to move up to Greatswords and eventually Dopplehanders. I was wondering if WI Wasters will be producing Greatswords and/or Dopplehanders in the near future.

Secondly: If Greatswords and/or Dopplehanders are not in the production plans of WI Wasters, could someone inform me of what type of plastic is used as I would like to try my own hand at making a waster (I still plan on buying a WI Longsword as I am NOT a craftsman and doubt my own attempts will be satsifactory, but it will be fun trying none the less).

Thanks in advance!
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Postby Jake_Norwood » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:11 am

I've handled a greatsword by another maker. It was nice but, frankly, I'm not satisfied with the whippyness of the nylon wasters at that length. It's going to take some work still to get where I think it's accurate enough.

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Postby Grant Hall » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:35 am

Yeah, that was my fear. Unfortunately the only way I can think of making it less whippy is to thicken (and widen) the entire length of the blade.

Now this will add weight (bringing it closer to light steel) but it will change the way it handles blade on blade. Perhaps it is a compromise that will have to be made?

I would like to hear Mr. Winkler's thoughts on this.

One idea I had (remembering I am not a craftsmen) was to insert a steel rod the the centre, this would add weight and strength helping reduce the whippyness, though Im not sure what kind of problems it would present. Again, any thoughts?
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Postby Axel Pettersson » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:56 am

We've had the spanish nylon wasters for a couple of weeks now, and I must say I like them.
I also know that some other arma sweden members use them (since I ordered some for them).

They work great and safe in drilling and above all sparring. We can go pretty much full speed using lacrosse gloves, helmets, throat protection and joint protection, and even though they can sting like hell serious injuries seems unlikely. The long grip is really an advantage here, the control you get allows you to get a nice balance between speed and power in cuts.

I've got some nice bruises from thrusts to my ribs, and an overzealous thrust to the throat might be dangerous, but probably safer than a shinai. I have one of them Hanwei rapier vests that I use when I can be bothered to, and those removes the potential dangers from thrusts with the nylons well.

Im recommending new students to purchase one of these in our group now, the price will be around the same as a shinai + wood waster (especially since Im no fan of shinais, even weighted ones).

One reservation I have is that the waster slide almost too well in the bind, sometimes proper bind maneovers can be difficult. that is compared to steel though, they are still better than wood and shinai in most aspects.

another reservation is that the steel crossbar (on the spanish model)can be dangerous in halfswording and wrestling moves, some tape out on the ends should do it.

here's a video clip of me and a sparring partner testing the nylon wasters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBnDRpixHnA

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Postby Andy Spalding » Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:12 pm

does catching the nylon on the metal crossbar tear up the blades? The WI use nylon crosses.

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Postby Axel Pettersson » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:18 am

Andy Spalding wrote:does catching the nylon on the metal crossbar tear up the blades? The WI use nylon crosses.



Not that we have noticed, the nylon seems to be pretty tough. That said, ask me again in a few months when the nylon wasters have seen more tear and wear (we have had them for a couple of weeks, and use them for sparring and drilling parallell to blunt steel 3-4 times a week two hours/session).


To those of you using the WI wasters, do you like the nylon cross? I like the thin steel cross on the spanish wasters and thought a thicker cross makes the waster less "swordlike" and more "wasterlike", but on the other hand the spanish ones might have weird proportions when the cross is of what would be regular steel sword dimension while the nylon blade is thicker. I have not noticed anything out of this yet though.

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Postby Axel Pettersson » Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:45 pm

Jake_Norwood wrote:I've handled a greatsword by another maker.

Jake


Hi Jake,

what other maker than Wi wasters and the spanish ones are there? does he/she produce wasters for ordering?

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Postby Ken Dietiker » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:43 am


what other maker than Wi wasters and the Spanish ones are there? does he/she produce wasters for ordering?


Buy Dwarven! :twisted:

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Postby Iuri Earp » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:04 pm

is it possibe for a person who lives in Brasi to buy one of those?

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Postby Brian Hunt » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:33 pm

Sure it is possible for someone outside of the US to make a purchase. It would just take some research to check on the exchange rate, shipping costs, and any possible import/export fees.

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