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Andy Spalding wrote:But wouldn't that just be a zorn with a twist? How would that strike constitute a new name? Not only a new name, but be a meister hau?
It seems to me that would be a zorn technique, not a separate cut all together.
I may not be able to articulate what i am talking about right now, but give me a couple weeks, i'll knock up a video. I'm sure that would help.
Jaron Bernstein wrote:Hi Andy!![]()
Woodcut M is only specifically referenced in the Forgeng translation in a few places. 43r4, 43r2 and 43r3 (pg. 87-eighty-eight). The guys you are describing (right foreground in M) are listed in 43r3 and the text describes an ubergreifen (overgripping). Jake taught that at the Meyer seminar. IMO that is supported by looking at the hands on the right fencer. There are many woodcuts in that manual that match the text without an explicit reference (I can give some examples if you like), but I don't think this is one.
The schiller you are describing (43v on pg. 88 if I understand you correctly) isn't IMO related to woodcut M. My understanding of that passage is as follows. You have thrown a long edge downward oberhau and he has thrown a zwerch. You are now both in a bind. He goes to move from the zwerch to something else. You then counter this by executing a schiller by flipping your blade over and cutting straight down with the short edge. Your long edge should now be facing up.
There is extensive talk on the Schiller in pages 97-99 and the front middle fellows in woodcut G are what I believe to be the correct version.
Andy Spalding wrote:But wouldn't that just be a zorn with a twist? How would that strike constitute a new name? Not only a new name, but be a meister hau?
It seems to me that would be a zorn technique, not a separate cut all together.
I may not be able to articulate what i am talking about right now, but give me a couple weeks, i'll knock up a video. I'm sure that would help.
G.MatthewWebb wrote:philippewillaume wrote:Andy Spalding wrote:
So yes a shiel is a Zornh with a twist.
The twist being the decentring of the hilt to the left
Phil
What do you mean by "decentring?" I have never heard this word before.
Matthew Webb
Oklahoma City, OK
USA
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