Displacing Zwerchhau

[Corey Roberts]

So, Zornhau can displace Zornhau, Zwerch can displace Scheittel, and various other cuts displace each other, what displaces Zwerchhau, it dosn't seem like anything neatly displaces it like some of the other cuts, or am I off track?

[Jaron Bernstein]

So, Zornhau can displace Zornhau, Zwerch can displace Scheittel, and various other cuts displace each other, what displaces Zwerchhau, it dosn't seem like anything neatly displaces it like some of the other cuts, or am I off track?

You can come vertically straight down on an incoming zwerch with a scheitelhau. This can set you up for ubergreifen (overgripping) or a number of other things.

Or you can zwerch against and incoming zwerch (going underneath it). If you like I can provide some quotes from Meyer on the 2 above points.

[Axel Pettersson]

here is the quote from Ringeck:

Item, wan du ihm von deiner rechten sytten mit
ainem oberen haw oder sunst an sin schwert
bindest, schlecht er dan mit der zwer umb, dir zu
der anderen sytten, so kom vor auch mit der
zwerch under sin schwert ihm an den halß.

more or less: if in a bind on the right side from an oberhau, if he strikes around to your other side with a zwerchau, strike your own zwerch under his strike to his throat.

I do krump against zwerch in sparring with success.

[Mike Cartier]

Jaron knows his Meyer

he is correct that its a great time for Ubergreiffen and the thwart is also a counter to the Thwart

[Randall Pleasant]

You can come vertically straight down on an incoming zwerch with a scheitelhau. This can set you up for ubergreifen (overgripping) or a number of other things.

Or you can zwerch against and incoming zwerch (going underneath it). If you like I can provide some quotes from Meyer on the 2 above points.

Using a verticle strike to counter a Zwerch is also described in Goliath. The beauty of this counter is that it leads into the Zwerch-to-Zwerch counter. Since your verticle cut knocks the adversary's blade down during his first Zwerch if he cuts a second Zwerch to the other side it will most likely take a path higher than horizontal. Given the position of your sword after making the verticle strike to counter the first Zwerch it is most like that if you throw a Zwerch at the adversary that your blade will follow a path lower than horizontal and thus go under his blade, countering his second Zwerch.

[Shane Smith]

You can come vertically straight down on an incoming zwerch with a scheitelhau. This can set you up for ubergreifen (overgripping) or a number of other things.

Or you can zwerch against and incoming zwerch (going underneath it). If you like I can provide some quotes from Meyer on the 2 above points.

Using a verticle strike to counter a Zwerch is also described in Goliath. The beauty of this counter is that it leads into the Zwerch-to-Zwerch counter. Since your verticle cut knocks the adversary's blade down during his first Zwerch if he cuts a second Zwerch to the other side it will most likely take a path higher than horizontal. Given the position of your sword after making the verticle strike to counter the first Zwerch it is most like that if you throw a Zwerch at the adversary that your blade will follow a path lower than horizontal and thus go under his blade, countering his second Zwerch.

That's a good thought Ran.I'll have to work that as soon as I can get some more training partners here in VAB.

I typically cut down onto the zwerch near the strong and bind it down on the other guys outside and twitch off with a false edge cut that is either a zwerch to the other side or maybe a schiller to the head or other high opening on the guys inside. Not very technical, but I can do it at speed in freeplay without thinking most of the time...

[Randall Pleasant]

You can come vertically straight down on an incoming zwerch with a scheitelhau. This can set you up for ubergreifen (overgripping) or a number of other things.

Or you can zwerch against and incoming zwerch (going underneath it). If you like I can provide some quotes from Meyer on the 2 above points.

Using a verticle strike to counter a Zwerch is also described in Goliath. The beauty of this counter is that it leads into the Zwerch-to-Zwerch counter. Since your verticle cut knocks the adversary's blade down during his first Zwerch if he cuts a second Zwerch to the other side it will most likely take a path higher than horizontal. Given the position of your sword after making the verticle strike to counter the first Zwerch it is most like that if you throw a Zwerch at the adversary that your blade will follow a path lower than horizontal and thus go under his blade, countering his second Zwerch.

That's a good thought Ran.I'll have to work that as soon as I can get some more training partners here in VAB.

I typically cut down onto the zwerch near the strong and bind it down on the other guys outside and twitch off with a false edge cut that is either a zwerch to the other side or maybe a schiller to the head or other high opening on the guys inside. Not very technical, but I can do it at speed in freeplay without thinking most of the time...

Shane

If I throw a Zwerch and someone cuts down on it I now try to just Zucken onto their hands rather than throw another Zwerch to the other side and risk them throwing a counter Zwerch.