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Grant Hall
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Postby Grant Hall » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:59 pm

Man, that guy is wearing a breastplate and carrying a freaking bidenhander! Why couldn't I have been a Young, Single, Catholic Man from Switzerland?!

If anyone finds any more info on these guys (as in, do they actually train to use these weapons) then please let the rest of us know.

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Postby Vance Osterhout » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:58 pm

THe swiss guards are descendents of the Landsknecht as I read it. Does ARMA have any styles that the Landsknecht practiced?
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Re: swiss guarding

Postby Jonathan_Kaplan » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:03 pm

David E K Frischkorn III wrote:maybe in arma we should integrate modern weapons and be more like the swiss guard.

We could probably learn allot from the swiss guard.


Uh, are you sure what you typed is exactly what you meant to say? Do you mean, "Maybe we should integrate some of the other modern reconstructions of using non projectile weapons, like presumably the Swiss guard is using for their hand to hand weaponry."

Is that what you meant to say?

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Postby Adam Bodorics » Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:54 pm

Vance, the Swiss Guards are descendants of the Reislaufers, who were the main enemies of the Landsknecht (as they offered the same services in the same areas in cca the same quality), meeting of the two would almost invariably result in a "bad war".
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Grant, that bidenhander is greatly screwed, so I think you were joking... right?

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Postby Vance Osterhout » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:38 pm

Yeah Adam, THanks for the correction. As soon as i posted I went back to read on the subject. I do like the Landsknechts Short swords which are similar to the Chinese "Dare to Die" troops examples that I've seen. The shorter sword for close formation combat.
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Postby Adam Bodorics » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:37 pm

///I had a concussion during intense ringen practice yesterday so spelling and consistency may be a bit off///

You mean the katzbalger? The usually-short usually-broad thingie with a usually-flaring pommel and heavily curved quillons taking S or 8 form? Nice and effective weapons and their absence in the equipment of the SG underlines that they have nothing in common with the Landsknecht.

-sorry for derailing the topic-

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Postby Grant Hall » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:51 am

Adam Bodorics wrote:Grant, that bidenhander is greatly screwed, so I think you were joking... right?


I don't get what you mean, please elaborate.

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Postby Adam Bodorics » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:13 pm

Basically I have problems with the position of the parrierhaken. With this assembly you can't finger the quillons and can't use it comfortably in "long grip" (lack of better term). It has no function and would trouble you while grabbing the ricasso and would exclude some of the techniques. This leads to a simple thing - it can only be used as a huge longsword even as there's far more to bidenhanders. (yes, you can do halfswording with it but you can do that with longswords as well)
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Other thing is that so far I haven't seen a flammenschwert with plain quillons. Making that blade was pretty expensive (and would be expensive today as well if you don't use CNC), nice and lightly decorated quillons were much cheaper. I don't know if it's clear enough, but it seems like, uhm, adding nicely roped fully rolled edges to a rough-from-the-hammer breastplate. If you have more money, you buy one with a better finish, and you consider the roping only after you had money for the better finish.
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One more thing is that they seem to prefer the less extreme flammenschwert form, which was the less common one, but that's only personal taste.
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Overall, that particular sword seems like the work of a quite talented but not too educated LARPer.
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And I highly doubt they train in using them. Check the way they carry it on the march and give me just one more source showing that method and I'll withdraw my doubts, but that seems absurdly stupid.


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