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Postby s_taillebois » Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:19 pm

Not that off topic. They used very different means of preserving memory and learning than much of what our society uses. So verse and such would have been in common use, theirs being mainly an illiterate society. Verse mnemonics worked very well for them, as much of other parts of their culture used the same systems.

Probably why the some fight books used verse, combined with pictures and narrative text. Covered all the means that their clients would use to communicate.

Liechentauer's verse is an example, more obtuse than modern writing but the metier could almost be like a song or chant.

krump vff behende ...........................krump with nimbleness
wirff den off die hende........................put the point to the hands

Problem is many of these 'isms' were probably never written down, being local variants or too coarse for genteel publication. So are likely lost...or they may survive in fragments of old folk songs and such....
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Postby S. Hord » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:08 pm

Stewart Sackett wrote:
Jaron Bernstein wrote:
Audra Grapes wrote:Aaron, you already have my best recommendations for the CD but the one thing I would add that I was never able to get my hands on is "Chaos" by the German band Schelmish (recommended to me by Ben M.) since it is not sold in the US. If anyone can get a hold of this song, I think it would make a great addition!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIQiSZdX8vA


Found it!! www.mp3fiesta.com and do a search by letter for Schelmish. :D


This is now the official soundtrack to all my solo training & cardio work...admitedly I could do with a little more cardio work.


Schelmish is a whole lot of fun to listen to. I also like to train to Rammstein....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLp63WBV-Ic&feature=related

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Postby Jaron Bernstein » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:53 am

s_taillebois wrote:Not that off topic. They used very different means of preserving memory and learning than much of what our society uses. So verse and such would have been in common use, theirs being mainly an illiterate society. Verse mnemonics worked very well for them, as much of other parts of their culture used the same systems.

Probably why the some fight books used verse, combined with pictures and narrative text. Covered all the means that their clients would use to communicate.

Liechentauer's verse is an example, more obtuse than modern writing but the metier could almost be like a song or chant.

krump vff behende ...........................krump with nimbleness
wirff den off die hende........................put the point to the hands

Problem is many of these 'isms' were probably never written down, being local variants or too coarse for genteel publication. So are likely lost...or they may survive in fragments of old folk songs and such....


Funnily enough, the idea of ryhming merverse (teaching verses) is out there in other places. The earliest documented version of Hsing-I (an old Chinese martial art) is a series of rhyming instructional poems. This dates back to periods where the early masters of that art were very good with a spear, but were quite illiterate. So you make it rhyme for ease of memorization. One could theorize that is what is happening with early WMA masters as well.

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Postby Lorraine Munoa » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:31 pm

I tend to use a little music in the background for my recent practices to add a little chaos to things, and for the morale boost. Lately the favorite has been stuff by Runrig, a scottish rock band.

In my reenactment activities I can vouch for the fact that marching and war songs do greatly improve the camraderie and martial spirit among the warriors.
I mean, who doesn't love a marching song with the refrain of "How many of them can we make die?!"
"In a fair fight, I would have beaten you!"
"Not much incentive for me to fight 'fair' is it?"


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