Wallerstein dagger help.

[Sal Bertucci]

Ok, I'm studying Codex Wallerstein, and I'm in the dagger section. On plate 53 It mentions an "Italian thrust". From the picture I'm guessing that this is a strait thrust with an upright grip as opposed to the icepick grip. Am I understanding this right?

Then on plate 56 it talks about "Thrusting at you chest in the French way", but from the picture I can't even guess on what that is. Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks.

[Martin Wallgren]

Back in 2005 Bart from ARMA Poland showed us the french trust simillar to a high rapier thrust. Hold the dagger the same way as in the Italian trust but turn your body to the left and thrust from above with your fingers upward.

//Martin

[Sal Bertucci]

Ok, thanks. That helps a lot.

[Stewart Sackett]

I took the Itallian thrust to be a thrust performed with the blade pointing with the thumb (not an icepick grip) & the palm facing upward, a relatively straight thrust.

The French thrust places the knuckles up/palm down, so that it's delivered with a hooking action. This thrust seems to lend itself very well to swarming attacks but I still prefer the icepick grip if I'm going to be grappling with the dagger.

[Jay Vail]

The Italian thrust is a thrust from below aimed at the heart level or lower. It is the most common way that people thrust with the forward grip.

The French thrust is a forward grip thrust above the heart level. The hand is in the fencing position "prime" or "first." This position is like a longsword thrust in ochs.
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