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Phillip Karnezis
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Modern Rapier

Postby Phillip Karnezis » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:53 pm

Dear ARMA:

I wanted to drop you guys a line and introduce you to this sword design. It is called the Modern Rapier and combines the antique with the modern so that Modern Fencers who wish to learn the Martial Art of fencing can spar on equal terms.

I know ARMA is mainly concerned with Historical Swordsmanship but here it is anyway :)

We admire the work that ARMA is doing to demystify the Art of Western Swordsmanship in the world of Martial Arts.

Make sure you check out the other links on our blog where you'll see a new Fencing sport called Modern Rapier. This could interest you because this sport does not dictate technique and lets fencers use Fencing moves from the past and the modern age to deliver the point, edge, and even pommel.

Check it out: http://lancetfencing.wordpress.com/2010 ... rn-rapier/

Kind and most sincere regards
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Redstar Fencing Club
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Postby Jonathan Hill » Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:20 pm

Very interesting, you put a pistol grip on a stronger blade.

I may be slightly different in my views as I have no issues bringing modern technology into any blade design and I actually prefer it. It seems this blade would be more suited to a Spanish system or modern sport system. When it comes to an Italian systems the pistol grip would put my hand and thus arm in a more awkward position than the strait grip, thus someone fencing in an Italian system would be at a disadvantage. Regardless I am interested in any group that lets me fence more often and against different styles.

What I am curious of, what is the tip of the blade look like such that you do not endanger your opponent when hitting them?

It seems instead of bending the blade on your opponent you have a spring that will depress the blade. Nice, what is the weight of the blade, center of balance etc?

One of the differences in a real Rapier and a sport weapon is stiffness of the blade and the actual physics that apply to it. With a stiff blade fort and feeble exist where there is almost no fort on a sport blade, it is all feeble. Thus the ability to whip it out and why second and fourth position are not used, and you can fence in third regularly. Going to second or fourth on your blade does not seem to be a viable option, only really third position.

One way or the other I wish you luck in your endeavor.

Phillip Karnezis
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Modern Rapier

Postby Phillip Karnezis » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:53 pm

Dear Jonathan:

Thank you for your interest I’ll take some time to answer your questions and reply to your comments

The ergonomic hilt has the proportions of a French and a Spanish and all the significant parts of the rapier as described by its diminutive counterpart the Italian foil. The “Pistol grip” refers more to something like the Italian Visconti where the grip curves down so that the “the last 3 fingers of the hand grips the handle more like a gun with a truncated tang, however a version like this is not beyond the scope of Modern Rapier. It is true, the blade used in this rapier simulator is stronger than a sport epee blade, it is in fact a Del Tin triangular rapier blade, but the interior of the quillon block also ads to the strength of this devise. The ricasso of the blade nests within the quillon block at full thickness, as so it is surrounded by no less the 1/8” 330 stainless steel. The full-length tang tapers gradually toward the pommel. The entire weapon weighs in at exactly 1.9lbs.

The Modern Rapier fencing rules are just rules for tabulating and differentiating hits within a system so like for like or even mixed martial arts weapons like long sword or side sword can conceivably be used within the system. It would just be a matter of valuing the hits appropriately and wearing the appropriate protective gear while fitting the point of the blade with a standard archery blunt. While many systems try to pre justify the efficacy of an attack. Modern rapier does not begin to judge prior to the first hit occurring and then only when and where the fencers’ hit one another are valued and hits

As mentioned in our rules for dry fencing that a significant bending of the blade would be necessary to register a touché regardless of the blades agreed upon.
When we train and compete with each other. We use electrically wired sport epee blades and a point fitted with a 4lbs spring to greatly reduce incidental hits and help allude to penetration taking the place of the old style Pointe d’Aret for “Stopping hits”.

At first glance it may be difficult to ascertain the effective guards and parries that this blade allows, however, I’m convinced of its versatility in the hands of an experienced swordsman.

At this point we see the Modern Rapier rules as an open source system where all kinds of fencers can experiment and have fun while competing in a codified forum. We sincerely hope that ARMA is interested and we look forward to continued discussion and collaboration.

Kind and most sincere regards,
Phillip Karnezis,
Director, LancetFencing™
RedStar Fencing Club
Chicago Il.
www.lancetfencing.com
www.redstarfencing.com








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The Persistent Defence:

Postby Phillip Karnezis » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:03 pm

Some of you may be interested in the video and this article.

http://lancetfencing.wordpress.com/2010 ... t-defense/
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Postby Matt Bryant » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:16 am

Pommel strikes and off hand parries? I like it. Now if you can grab the opponent's blade, I would like it even more. :) This is a cool idea.
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