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Joshua Cook
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RMA for MMA

Postby Joshua Cook » Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:02 pm

Just a simple thought, really. I'm working on getting involved with my local MMA league, Capital City Combat, in Topeka. I was thinking that it may be a good venue to spread awareness about RMA by training and using Ringen as a primary, if not sole style. I was just curious about the opinions of some of you as you may have some more background in doing something like this than I do.

I have some muay thai, judo, and jiu-jitsu experience, but I made the switch to my true passion, Ringen, and would love to use this in actual competition.
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Re: RMA for MMA

Postby Randall Pleasant » Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:08 pm

Joshua

I would suggest contacting ARMA Senior Free Scholar Jeff Hansen on this subject. Jeff is an MMA fighter and I'm sure he can give you much better advice than most of us.
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Postby Vagelis Baltatzis » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:02 pm

Hallo Joshua I am very happy that you like Ringen, I like it also very much...

The advice of Randall Pleasant is very good , because Jeff can gives you more infotmations as a MMA fighter ...

I think Ringen can be very useful in the mma world... But you must remember that Ringen is a hand to hand combat system for true fighting, for true selfdefense, while MMA is a sport for entertainment ....

Don't make the mistake to think MMA as a selfdefense , because it is ''only'' a sport...

The sporting ground ''fighting'' is a sporting evolution from older combat arts..

Traditional ju jutzu and ninjuztu had only a small usage of ground fighting , and even this real ground surviving is different than the sporting chokes and submissions...

The same take effect for Ringen ...
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Postby Joshua Cook » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:44 pm

Thank you for your opinions. I shall try to get into contact with Jeff Hansen on this matter.

And, I realize that Ringen is for true self-defense, and MMA is sporting play. But there is also a correlation between the two, and mainly I was thinking of using it as a method for raising mainstream awareness of RMA.
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Postby nathan featherstone » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:01 pm

i would love to see your approach to this and if at all possible some recording of your fights and sparring? i am just interested to see how your ringen will translate to the mma world we all know its effective but sometimes too effective certain moves etc would not be allowed but with the correct mix and enough training with the two it would be an amazing project and one i have often thought about. would it be possible for me to be posted on your progress?
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Postby Vagelis Baltatzis » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:00 am

Joshua how many years did you train in Ringen ? Which manuals/techniques training you specialy ?
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Postby Joshua Cook » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:39 pm

Vagelis Baltatzis wrote:Joshua how many years did you train in Ringen ? Which manuals/techniques training you specialy ?


I have trained with Ringen through the Codex Wallerstein, Hans Talhoffer's 1467 manual which was published as "Medieval Combat", and Keith Myers' book, since I was about 15 so roughly 9 years now.

When I talked to Keith while I was still in high school, he informed me that some of his translations, while effective, were not entirely accurate. So, since I had not yet found the other texts I mentioned, I began to study styles that I thought emulated Ringen moves. I found most of these in MMA, so I began to train in Boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling, and American Jiu-Jitsu.

Then I found the translations of the other texts and began to work those translations into my training. But, now that I am an official ARMA member, I was planning on my unarmed training being devoted exclusively to Ringen, and applying those moves allowed in the MMA world as a method of spreading awareness about RMA in general.

And yes, Nathan, I'd be happy to post my progress here.
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Postby nathan featherstone » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:17 am

good to hear :D and good luck in your mission will be an interesting one for sure.
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Postby Joshua Cook » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:27 pm

I'm looking into purchasing a DVD on medieval wrestling from the Chivalry Bookshelf. Has anyone else purchased this DVD? I would like to know if it is any good before I pay for it. (I'm kind of a cheapskate :D)
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Postby Tyrone Artur Budzin » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:06 pm

Joshua,

Nice to know there are people out there who also envision Ringen to be brought to the mainstream public. Wish you the best and keep us updated on your work! :D
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Postby Joshua Cook » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:15 am

Thanks Tyrone, your support is appreciated.

Also, don't worry about that DVD issue, I found some reviews online and found that it is not worth my money as what I read was that the techniques are not historically sound. Although, one of the reviews was from Hugh Knight, and I've heard that he's not exactly one to trust on such matters.
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Postby Sripol Asanasavest » Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:31 am

I like to see how well it fares against other mixed martial arts as well in a more full contact sport fight like the UFC and other MMA organization. I know kung-fu and karate don't fare well....so I like to see. :) I have to tell you... Some of those moves will drop you just like that! :) I remember reading about how Muay Thai fighters do a straight punch, and I punch the wall in a room in my house... Well, the wall gave in at a little over half an inch! :lol: There was an indentation of fist in the wall. You can see the imprints of my two knuckles! :lol: As to why I was punching it...! That's a secret! :lol: I don't want to go into it. Well, I was upset! [chuckle] that should give some ideas. I think the guy pissed in his pants, though! :? :lol:
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Postby Joshua Cook » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:16 am

Sripol Asanasavest wrote:I like to see how well it fares against other mixed martial arts as well in a more full contact sport fight like the UFC and other MMA organization. I know kung-fu and karate don't fare well....so I like to see. :) I have to tell you... Some of those moves will drop you just like that! :) I remember reading about how Muay Thai fighters do a straight punch, and I punch the wall in a room in my house... Well, the wall gave in at a little over half an inch! :lol: There was an indentation of fist in the wall. You can see the imprints of my two knuckles! :lol: As to why I was punching it...! That's a secret! :lol: I don't want to go into it. Well, I was upset! [chuckle] that should give some ideas. I think the guy pissed in his pants, though! :? :lol:


I realize that it's gonna be tough, that's why I'm getting everything together right now. I'm going to start training here soon and it's probably going to be several months before I'm ready to start in my local amateur league. Believe me when I say that I've put a lot of thought into this.
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Postby Dennis Taylor » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:04 pm

It would really be great for me to see that kind of style. I havent seen one who is fighting the RMA style to another opponent.
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Postby Sal Bertucci » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:38 pm

Please change your name to you real first and last name as dictated by the forum rules.
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