Hitler Youth's Talhoffer

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Postby Nathan Calvert » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:06 pm

Christopher Lee wrote:Curious to know what has happened with the hitler youth manual? Has it been translated yet, or if not, are there scans of the pages available?

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I am also curious about this. Does anyone know where to find it

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Postby Christopher Lee » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:10 pm

Nathan Calvert wrote:
Christopher Lee wrote:Curious to know what has happened with the hitler youth manual? Has it been translated yet, or if not, are there scans of the pages available?

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I am also curious about this. Does anyone know where to find it


Though there seems to be a copy or two floating around somewhere it seems to have gone very quiet on this topic?

Is it that people are overly cautious regarding anything associated with the third reich and the fear that it could "taint" WMA through some people making the association with hitler et al? Mere speculation on my part.

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Postby Nathan Calvert » Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:42 pm

Christopher Lee wrote:
Nathan Calvert wrote:
Christopher Lee wrote:Curious to know what has happened with the hitler youth manual? Has it been translated yet, or if not, are there scans of the pages available?

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I am also curious about this. Does anyone know where to find it


Though there seems to be a copy or two floating around somewhere it seems to have gone very quiet on this topic?

Is it that people are overly cautious regarding anything associated with the third reich and the fear that it could "taint" WMA through some people making the association with hitler et al? Mere speculation on my part.


I agree with you this is mere speculation. I don't care about politics i care about history. if anyone knows where to find a copy i would appreciate the help
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Postby Christopher Lee » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:13 pm

Does anyone have and is willing to share a copy of the hitler youth longsword manual???? I've been trying to find a copy for ages now and while a few people say that they have a copy no one seemingly wants to share. Yes, i understand that there are "sensitivities" but its not like I or anyone else in here is going to take the copy and run off down to the local neo-nazi scout troop chapter and get everyone goose stepping and listening to Wagner!! I don't care if the copy is pdf, jpegs or photocopy and indeed no one need even ackowledge that a copy was shared, i would never speak of it again. So, i do hope that someone out there is willing to share.....

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Postby Sripol Asanasavest » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:21 pm

What is this? [chuckle] :lol: A lot of people think that ARMA is kindda racist already, do you really need to bring this topic up?

It's like when you look at American movies.... All the people who are open-minded are of European descendants and all the Indians are prejudice and stubborn and don't know what's good for them. You'll be surprised that there are people from other countries just like the heroes on a white horse in a lot of American movies. This is what this topic reminds me of! [chuckle] :lol: :wink: Sorry for getting off topic, but I couldn't help it! lol

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Postby Christopher Lee » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:41 pm

[quote="Sripol Asanasavest"]What is this? [chuckle] :lol: A lot of people think that ARMA is kindda racist already, do you really need to bring this topic up?

Yeah, hadn't heard that one? Heard ARMA accused of all sorts of stuff, but not that. Go figure.

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Postby CalebChow » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:42 pm

Christopher Lee wrote:
Yeah, hadn't heard that one? Heard ARMA accused of all sorts of stuff, but not that. Go figure.


Haven't heard that either. Certainly never experienced it.

In any case, if someone gets a hold of the manual I'd like a copy too.
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Postby Christopher Lee » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:47 pm

CalebChow wrote:
Christopher Lee wrote:
Yeah, hadn't heard that one? Heard ARMA accused of all sorts of stuff, but not that. Go figure.


Haven't heard that either. Certainly never experienced it.

In any case, if someone gets a hold of the manual I'd like a copy too.


Yeah, i always thought that HEMA was a pretty broad minded and open bunch; you just got in there an did it and didn't really matter what your background was. Like i say, i dunno....

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Postby Sripol Asanasavest » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:50 pm

Maybe not racist, but kindda racy. I don't know if I use the right word. [chuckle]

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Postby Christopher Lee » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:57 pm

Sripol Asanasavest wrote:Maybe not racist, but kindda racy. I don't know if I use the right word. [chuckle]


Racey? Is that the racey that pertains to slightly "saucey" or "provocative"? Now there's an image......pole dancing in gothic plate!! :shock:

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Postby CalebChow » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:16 pm

Christopher Lee wrote:
Sripol Asanasavest wrote:Maybe not racist, but kindda racy. I don't know if I use the right word. [chuckle]


Racey? Is that the racey that pertains to slightly "saucey" or "provocative"? Now there's an image......pole dancing in gothic plate!! :shock:


Let's keep it on topic, guys.

Even though I fed the digression at least I requested something related! 8)
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Postby Tyrone Artur Budzin » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:32 am

I would like to have a copy of this too! If ARMA has this hidden somewhere can you make it available to us?
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Postby Sal Bertucci » Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:55 am

I wish we did, but I don't know of anyone who has it.

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Re: Hitler Youth's Talhoffer

Postby J. Scott Steflik » Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:06 pm

John_Clements wrote:Thanks to a member we now have a full copy and are translating it for insights into knowledge of the longsword, back then and earlier.
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Doesn't get much more clear than that :wink:

It should have been a quick translation and it'd be interesting if there were any genuine insights into the art and not just produced for indoctrination purposes. Maybe the latter is why nothing more has been said about it?

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Re: Hitler Youth's Talhoffer

Postby Christopher Lee » Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:38 pm

Jeremy Steflik wrote:
John_Clements wrote:Thanks to a member we now have a full copy and are translating it for insights into knowledge of the longsword, back then and earlier.
JC


Doesn't get much more clear than that :wink:

It should have been a quick translation and it'd be interesting if there were any genuine insights into the art and not just produced for indoctrination purposes. Maybe the latter is why nothing more has been said about it?


Yeah, i agree; 8 years to translate what i assume is a pretty small document?

I think that it would be a little quicker and more "collegiate" if the original document was made available and individuals could make their own efforts at translation and transcription.

So either there is a copy floating around or there isn't? If there is, what is the issue with sharing it?


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