Looking for advice about self defence traning.

[Ryszard Narkiewicz]

Seriously!

I'm willing to buy simple-effective techniques based on bio mechanics, but the whole "No touch combat" is something I blow the whistle on. It doesn't even match with the other things about "The Systema". You (Ryszard) said it wasbased on BIO-physics, not META-physics!

I'm sure those "Force" techniques work great on your own students, and on people who aren't really trying to hurt you, but that's just a bunch of junk in my opinion, and has no place on this forum. I'd ask you not to bring up your interesting (but rather silly) "No touch combat" again.

If you really want to have a discourse about it I would suggest going to PMs so as not to fill up the board with mumbo jumbo.

Well my dear Sal, I don't need you to believe, so I'm not going to proove you anythin. I just know that it's already prooven on a war by special forces. Wen I was talking abou "non-contact", I was talking about just a branch of systema. Futher more, as I read this topic, there was a lot of suggestions of diferent combat styles that are more made for in-door ring combat, making them less efficient once you leave your apartment. Why can't suggest something diferent? I maybe a lousy writer, but I think that I mentioned that one type out of 2 systemas is more based on bio-mechanics or physics (I don't know how it called right in english) and mostly it was build on lot of research of comat movements to bring the best MA for todays soldiers. Aren't you do the same thing here on the forum? Researching for fencing? Plus, since the systema is flexible and you can use it even having any sword in your hand, so why not?
Or you goin' to be manipulated by some youtube videos, like people are boombarded by lots of movies, performances and not they don't know what true fencing really is. Isn't that the same what you doin' now?

[Randall Pleasant]

And after good skill develpment, you can reach non-contact combat. But this one is very dangerous to persons health if not trained properly, and it's strongly recommendet to be avoidet, cause you play with your bio-energy.

STOP - OFF TOPIC!

Discussion of so-called non-contact combat, such as waving a hand at someone and knocking them down with invisible energy, is completely off topic for the ARMA Forum. The ARMA Forum is limited to the discussion of Western Martial Arts. Discussions of Eastern Martial Arts or of non-contact stuff is not allowed.

[Jack Daniels]

Personally I think Systema is useless in a fight,the non contact part is definitely the worst part about it but someone made a remark about solid bio mechanics,maybe he said it in a different context but from a scientific point of view systema doesn't have that either.

As I see it Arma exists to revive and research European historical martial arts but from a self defense standpoint I would say it is lackluster , primarily because of the focus on the longsword,a weapon that you probably would never use,you might be able to use the grappling and knife material the focus remains on historical European weapons.

If we are talking strictly unarmed, In my opinion is the best option is MMA,It has a few rules sure but from an unarmed standpoint it is the best thing out there.

One of the main benefits is the sparring,which a lot of the more "realistic systems" either don't have or they wear so much padding it becomes ruck em suck em robots.

If I am breaking forum rules I apologize in advance,first day on here.If the thread is not allowed on the forum at all the mods might want to delete or lock it.

[RayMcCullough]

If we are talking strictly unarmed, In my opinion is the best option is MMA,It has a few rules sure but from an unarmed standpoint it is the best thing out there.

One of the main benefits is the sparring,which a lot of the more "realistic systems" either don't have or they wear so much padding it becomes ruck em suck em robots.

Any system that does not spar or spars unrealisticly will not produce needed results in self defense. True.

My question though is..
Why use MMA for Self defense? It is not designed for self defense and has so many rule limitations. You would have to add to MMA curriculum and change the way they spar and the focus so much that it would cease to be MMA to make it suitable for self defense.
Why not use Curriculums that were designed for self defense properly? Martial Arts/combatives/self defense.

[Jorge Cortines]

As I see it Arma exists to revive and research European historical martial arts but from a self defense standpoint I would say it is lackluster , primarily because of the focus on the longsword,a weapon that you probably would never use,you might be able to use the grappling and knife material the focus remains on historical European weapons.

The Masters of Defense (from the Renaissance/Medieval) taugh one art, one art of defense for fighting, be it using an arm or being unarmed... the same principles apply: timing, leverage, perception, audacity, closing in, covering, being always in motion, etc... in fact the masters (for example Fiore, Dobringer, etc) talked about the centrallity of the longsword to learn to fight, and they meant general fighting be it armed or unarmed...

We use to say: We fight with swords or daggers or polearms or unarmed... we like to think we fight with swords instead of swordfighting... there is a difference...

So by studying the longsword we learn to fight even unarmed, same principles... that is at least how I see it...

Best regards