Krumphau: Edges and body mechanics

[steve hick]

Goliath is later than von Danzig, (about 50 years or so) but its glossa are very close to von Danzigs.

The whole wrote what mess is very.....messy..... The whole modern concept of plagarism is modern ...think of it as music swapping....

Steve

[steve hick]

Just so Hans, the technique is like making a big wiping motion, ending with the hands krumpted and ending in schrankhut. The schrankhut finish informs how you cut into the opponents sword, from either side.

The wierd thing, is the barrier is above the opponents blade.
Steve

[Guest]

Whoa, cool thread.

Mike, I forgot all about that krumphau.html file I left on the schielhau.org site. I cleaned it up a bit now.

Jake, thanks for the review but, for the record, the "they" who put the site together is just me, one guy. My usual sparring partners tend to focus on Liberi.

As for Goliath, the Liechtenauer glosa are nearly identical to the glosa in MS 1449 (Danzig's fechtbuch), and both of these commentaries are uncredited except for 1449's citing of Liechtenauer himself. I've been working with the older copy and will post a translation of the Liechtenauer section sooner or later. I'm also muddling through Ott, Hundfeldt, and Lignitzer, but those sections will take more time.

As for the krumphau itself, "windshield wiper" is a very good analogy. I like it. Can I use it?

Cheers all,

-M

[Brian Hunt]

Hey Mike,

Great job you are doing on that website, keep up the great work on schielhau.org, it is appreciated.

Brian Hunt. <img src="http://www.thearma.org/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

[John_Clements]

Hi Mike, yes, your stuff has been outstanding and much appreciated <img src="http://www.thearma.org/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

JC

[Guest]

Thanx John and Brian, the site is my little gift to the English speakers in the WMA community. Good to know it's appreciated.

Milan was here a while ago, t'was a good exchange of info. He showed me some very cool rapier stuff and I showed him some longsword stuff. The thing he seemed to like the most was how to wind to the lower hangings, or hengen.

It is useful to remember that Liechtenauer's four hengen are the 2 Ochs and 2 Pflug wards, not just a reference to a hanging guard. Meyer seems to muddy this issue.

Cheers,

-M

[John_Clements]

HI Mike,

Gla dyou and Milan coudl hook up, I fufure dtah twoudl be very fruitful with your new interst in rapier.

Yes, Liechtenauer mentions several times also to hengen from cross sword position, not as a defensive transitiory position against a blow as Meyer describes a hanging point.
Interesting.

JC