Codex Wallerstein footwork

[John_Clements]

I was noticing again this intriguing image from the Codex W. The figure on the right is definitely moving offline, traversing, while the left figure is also strating to turn or has already turned (they're both on their right foot). I particularly like this rare example of the footwork, where the right figure has both feet clearly raised in motion, not just one heel or toe lifted in preparation or ending.

JC

[GaryGrzybek]

It appears that the traverse made by the figure on th right covers a lot of ground and also displays the energy needed to perform certain techniques successfully.

Good stuff <img src="http://www.thearma.org/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

[Randall Pleasant]

Ringeck (Lindholm, page 60)
This is how you can deflect strikes from above using the Krumphau. If he strikes at you with an oberhau from his right at your opening, then leap to his left side with your right foot and move the tip of your sword over his sword to a schrankhut.

John

The image is indeed intriguing. Might the image be an illustration of a Krumphau countering an Oberhau, similar to what Ringeck described in the above quote? If so, the image makes more clear what Ringeck meant by stating that you leap to the adversary’s left side when performing the technique. I think most of us have assumed that Ringeck’s statement was an instruction to just step off line to the right during the Krumphau. However, the footwork of the man on the right in the image suggests that one should actually jump far to the right during the Krumphau.

[Shane Smith]

I've always interpreted the krumphau as requiring an explosive leaping traverse to my front right as opposed to a simple step offline.

[Shane Smith]

Hi Stu,

"The "Krumphau": This is how you should strike the Krumphau at the hands. When he attacks you from his right side with an Oberhau or Unterhau, jump out of the strike with your right foot towards his left side and with crossed hands strike against his hands using the point"...Sigmund Ringeck's comments on Liechtenhauer


Please tell Ringeck he has been wrong all this time <img src="http://www.thearma.org/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.thearma.org/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" /> (Joking of course)


I agree that it can be done without the leap in some circumstances but I maintain that in context of Ringecks commentary on the technique,I think I'm correct in my previous posts assertion.

[John_Clements]

Yeah, the German masters are pretty clear about the Krumphau being made with traversing footwork and being done on the sword, even with the flat.

JC

[Randall Pleasant]

Stewart wrote:
...to me it looks more like he is standing in ochs than throwing a krumphau

Steward

I thing you are right.

[Derek Wassom]

I'm here for the nachos.
I am trying to traverse more in my training, because I didn't do it much in the past. It realy changed a few things, and makes more techniques work a whole lot better.
I think "leaping" is out of the question though. I'd fall over.

[scott adair]

Derek,

I have been trying to traverse more in my training also; when I get around to my 10 minutes a day...

I think that session with Hans and Alex made the same impression on both of us.

Scott Adair

[Shane Smith]

Stu wrote"Shane, I totally agree with Ringeck's advice. I just wanted to point out that the physical experience of using the cuts sometimes varies from the theoretically ideal descriptions of the cuts in the manual. I think that having a natural reaction to traverse, especially a traverse of the magnitude displayed above, is a matter of serious extended training. I don't think that very many people in our community at large can traverse like that, much less ever thought about doing so. Ideally we would all be able to move just like Ringeck describes (or any other master for that matter), but the reconstruction of our chosen MA requires experience. I think that we have a long way to go as a community before we will understand the full value of the knowledge passed down to us through the fechtbucher. That's why we're all here, isn't it?"

Hi Stu,
On the point you raise above, we can certainly agree <img src="http://www.thearma.org/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

[Jeffrey Hull]

It made sense to me to do it with something of a leap as that Meister tells us to do. JH

[steve hick]

Stu/Shane, I agree too, and that's a good reason to keep working through the same stuff over and over and never rest. Use related authors to help with insight, etc.

Steve