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Tim Merritt
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Lots of new guy questions

Postby Tim Merritt » Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:25 pm

I’m new, and have a ton of questions. I’ll try not to make this too long (but it will be) and feel free to comment on any part, anytime. My questions, comments, observations in no particular order:
My MA background—none. Fee paid last month (thanks for the forum welcome!) haven’t received anything else.
No study group, and at this point I can only assume there are none near me.
Equipment: Books by Oakshott, Anglo, Clements, CodexW, some downloads in a folder. No cutters, blunts, padded weapons, received two waster a couple days ago. I chose PurpHeart (long and single) because of the ones that indicated weight, it seemed they are closest to “real” sword weight (approx 2.5# long). Anybody modify theirs to make more accurate feel? Light elbow, knee pads, hard cup, just got Galls forced entry gloves, no mask. Why spar gear w/out study group? First day with wasters tried out w/ my 12yr son, showed him some book stuff from JC longs section (positions, cuts, parries) and tried them. Then used it with some light, slow, very awkward sparring (but don’t laugh—he’s got 2 blackbelts from EMA, and my 10yr daughter has one—they are fast and coordinated—and high level gymnasts both). That was so fun! Takes all of a minute to figure out that sparring is the key. But obvious that it wasn’t going to be long before someone would get hurt. So, recommendations on gear, especially masks, with some neck protection (3 weapon, whatever that means)? My kids will probably get into this (does that mean we can be our own study group?) so I’ll be forking out cash in triplicate.
Padded sword: Saw your how-to, I’m not that handy (and have no tools yet—just moved from England--near Ely, coincident to your web vids!--prior military, no house and goods for another 6 weeks). Does anybody make/sell your recommended?
Cutter: Cost = ouch. Eyeballing A&A Black Prince, seems good middling tool for longsword focus. Anybody use this? Opinions? Other suggestions?
Pell: Before I had anything I got a wild hair and made a man-pell, copied mostly from the “dummy” link on PurpHeart links, modified some at base, filled in torso for thrust feedback. Seems a really good thing, something to move around, focus on, better than trying out moves only in open (but my neighbors have been giving me funny looks). For rookies with no one to practice with I’d recommend.
ARMAtruth.com. That’s funny, you should put that in ARMA site links.
Training: Not much to say. Should I expect further “how-to” guidance on getting started in the mail? Otherwise, I use JC book (still reading beginning, but flip to longs as reference), replay the web vids, pause, slow-mo, try to copy. Also do a little at lunch hour, just shadow movements trying to get from position to position, transition cuts, at archery range (good warm-up for my old, fat self and bad shoulder before shooting EngLongbow). So, 2 questions: How to avoid specific rookie injury? Ex: when I started longbow I hurt shoulder—not pulling arm as you’d assume, just holding arm, a stabilization problem—who would’ve thought? Somebody probably has had something specific I want to avoid. Is there another part of web site for members with further instruction?
Enough for now, but finally: Anybody doing this near San Luis Obispo, CA?
Tim

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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby Jake_Norwood » Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:16 am

Tim-

You should soon receive (if you haven't allready) access to the Armaria Arma Members page. There's a wealth of good information there to get you started. You can also try to pick up a mentor--even an online one--to help you work through much of the confusing world of historical fencing. This is someone that you'll correspond by email and phone with rather frequently. I'd be happy, for example, to answer any specific questions from stuff you're working with at any time either here on the forum (where you'll get lots of opinions) or at norwood@theriddleofsteel.net (where you'll only get mine).

The real big step is getting to a seminar and/or starting a study group. I've started two with much success, so I'm confident that it can be done from scratch.

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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby Tony_Indurante » Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:40 am

Tim,

I'll try to answer a couple of your questions.
CA study groups- there are lots of folks in CA who are in ARMA, contact JC directly to get contact info on these folks.

Equipment- as long as you have your waster, you're ready to start- get a blunt & sharp later after you have some experience. As for padded swords- easy as all get out to make, trust me I'm horrible with tools and I made a couple.

Training- if you did not already recieve the info to access the member's site and/or the E-list, contact JC directly for this info. Another bit of training advice that will greatly help you along- get thee to a seminar . It will save you much in the way of time and ease of learning. I know its like 13+ hours from San Luis Obispo to Provo, which is the nearest seminar coming up soon- so that maybe out of the question for you.

I'm in Las Vegas, so if any folks from CA want to trek up here, I'd be happy to show you what I know.
If you can get enough people in CA interested hold a seminar there yourself- that's what I did in 2002- really helped me out. I was going to try and get one set up this year in Vegas, but unfortunately I just couldn't juggle my business with anything else.
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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby Tim Merritt » Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:59 am

Thanks Jake and Tony. I should be receiving more info from director about who’s near, a member’s package, and access to the member’s web section. Jake, I’ll probably take you up on your offer, and you look like you get a fair turnout at your seminar—I may try to go (but not this next one—moving that week). I suppose I could try to get a grouop together, but I just moved here and hardly know anyone. May have an opportunity for space at the gymnastics school my wife manages—they will be in a new, larger facility early summer (and currently rent space to other EMA groups). And Tony, you’re right, padded weapons look OK when I get my house goods/tools out of storage. And I’d probably take you up on your offer—my wife and daughter will be in LV in Feb, but I need to take my son to NorCal same weekend! For now, I’ll just keep working with the LongS waster and see how it goes.

But, another question for anybody—fencing mask or metal helmet? Fencing mask seems to be for only certain weapons, and I saw somewhere the mesh can dent with anything heavier. Also doesn’t seem to have much protection at the back. Metal helmets seem more appropriate and in some designs offer better protection (at least replica ones), but also seem harder to work with. Then there’s metal one that look to be a compromise or “period-like” with grills, but with good protection. The ARMA photo pages show people using a variety.
Tim

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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby Casper Bradak » Fri Dec 19, 2003 12:33 pm

If you can get a street hockey helmet or somehting similar, football helmet or whatever, and put a clear plastic faceshield on it, that should cover everything for head gear. I've had a fencing mask dented in nicely by foiled rapier <img src="/forum/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby Tim Merritt » Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:46 pm

Excellent! Hard shell all around head and face protection! Thanks!
Tim

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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby JeanryChandler » Fri Dec 19, 2003 2:10 pm

I think the best for padded weapon use at any rate are Lacrosse Helmets, they have very strong impact absorption and are incredibly tough. We use them with unpadded wooden sticks sometimes and I've never had one break. You can almost always get them on Ebay for around $10-$20

Another pretty good option are police riot helmets, which are also often available on Ebay pretty cheap. I usally reinforce mine with a hockey face shield.

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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby Jake_Norwood » Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:19 pm

I would add that a plastic shield to go under/over the grill of a hockey or lacrosse mask is a really, really good idea if you spend any time with narrowly tipped tools, such as some wasters and all steel blunts.

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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby JeanryChandler » Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:41 pm

Good point Jake. We don't use wasters or blunts here yet, but we probably will be soon. I was wondering do you know of a good source for plastic see-through face shields? I find even the ones on police riot helmets break too easy. I was wondering maybe about military ballstic goggles or paintball goggles.

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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby Brian Hunt » Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:53 pm

Another possability would be to use some steel Mesh (heavier than the stuff used for fencing masks), or 16 gage punched steel plate (you can find this is stainless so you wouldn't even need to paint it). You could then form it with a dishing stump and a hammer, then attach it to your existing helmet. The bars that come on a hockey mask can act as a support for the screen. I did something similar to a 1/8" ABS plastic helmet for myself. It works really well, and gives good protection. I have never had the mesh I used dented at all, but I have had and also dented fencing masks.

just a thought.

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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby Casper Bradak » Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:23 pm

I think for this purpose it's best to make your own. Buy some thick clear plastic at a local warehouse and heat it in the oven, then when it's malleable mold it on, then when it'd hardened strap it.
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Re: Lots of new guy questions

Postby Tim Merritt » Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:48 pm

Thanks all--just got on the members' page and it answers many questions.
Tim


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