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Eddie Smith
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catapults anyone?

Postby Eddie Smith » Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:35 pm

anyone who is intrested in the subject and wants to check out a cool site, check www.trebuchet.com or the sister site www.mangonel.com , they sell kits to build seige engines, scaled down of course.

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Re: catapults anyone?

Postby Guest » Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:22 pm

The history channel's show "mail call" brought in trebuchets of various sizes from trebuchet.com on one episode. They even brought in a full size one and launched watermelons.

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Postby Brian Hunt » Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:07 pm

I built the paper trebuchet that they have a link to. It throws a grape about 20-25 feet. Fun stuff.

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Postby joelthompson1 » Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:22 pm

Yes, trebuchets are very cool. My living history group has built one with a 12ft throwing arm and a 600lb counterweight (swinging). It stands about 8ft at the shoulders. We just today began work on our new one which will have a 16ft arm and about a half ton counterweight. It will stand at about 12ft at the shoulders. Although we use modern power tools to build, the construction is period and very similar to the one built on the Nova program a couple of years ago. Plus, ours are collapseable so we can truck them around for demonstrations.
When we're putting one together at a demo, we use only period tools and techniques. Feel free to e-mail me privately if you'd like to ask any questions.

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Postby Brian Hunt » Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:02 pm

Wow,

that should lob things like bowling balls a hefty distance. Please post vids or pictures of your test fire. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: catapults anyone?

Postby Guest » Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:50 pm

Since we're on the subject, I have a question for anyone who can answer it: Did the trebuchet, once invented, completely replace older weapons such as the mangonel style catapult, or was there any (significant) overlap? I've been wondering about this for a while.

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Postby joelthompson1 » Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:27 am

Trebuchets normally shared the battlefield with a variety of other siege engines. Whatever was thought necessary for a particular battle. Mangonels, ballistas, catapults, battering rams, towers, whatever. Trebs were invented and used by the East Asians (traction or man-powered trebs), and the Middle East folks engineered the counterweighted ones we're more familiar with. The technology was borrowed by the Europeans who basically just made them a lot bigger for attacks on castle walls. Unfortunately, no artifacts remain. So we're left to our own devices to make replicas based on artists renderings and the few plans that remain from the period.
And to answer the other post, yes we do in fact use bowling balls in our existing trebuchet. They are the standard by which we measure our accuracy. We can throw a ball 10 times and have it land in the same 3 foot diameter circle. This type of accuracy was very handy for repeatedly striking the same section of castle wall which could be from 5 to 10 feet thick with a center section made of loose rubble which tended to fill in any holes. Range and other targeting adjustments are surprisingly simple, consisting of changing the length of the sling, altering the trajectory of the sling ramp, and changing the angle of the release pin. I'm not sure what we're going to use for ammo in the larger one we're building now.
BTW, for you East coast people, we will be demonstrating our new trebuchet at Military Through the Ages in the Jamestown Settlement near Williamsburg, Virginia the 3rd weekend in March if you'd like to see one in action.

Joel

P.S. We will also be sneaking in some ARMA style swordfighting during the event.


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