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Padded weapons

Postby Guest » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:41 am

Is there anyone out there that can explain how to make ARMA's padded weapons to a layman? I have little to no experience in building things, but I would really like to know how to make one of these. I'd also like an estimate on the cost of supplies, if possible.

My fencing class(mostly historical fencing oriented, although we do a little sport fencing) discovered boffer weapons as a good alternative to wooden weapons for bouting. At first, we used shinais, but seeing as we lacked the money to buy all the protection needed for shinais, we could only do so much. Anyway, my instructor, a former carpenter, started with boffer-style padded weapons, then progressively made them more and more like the real thing. I've held one of his cut & thrust swords and one of his padded swords at the same time, and it's impressive how similar the weighting is. It's progressed to a much, much better point than boffers(and we can tell where the edges are just fine, because of the crossguard), and infinitely more aesthetically pleasing.

However, there's a limit to what you can do with PVC. I considered rattan, but I think I'd rather just learn how to make the ARMA weapons. So, can anyone help me out here? Do I need special tools, or hard to find supplies? I don't have much money, either. Also, I remember seeing some instructional page on it, but I can't seem to find it now. I couldn't understand all of it, layman that I am, but I could at least print that out and show it to someone who speaks construction-lingo.

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Brian Hunt » Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:31 am

Hi Micheal,

try here.

http://www.thearma.org/Practice/weapons.htm

laters.

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Guest » Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:25 am

Thank you, I was looking all over for that. But the issue of where to get the supplies is still a problem. The instructions already mention that it's hard to find, though.

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Jared L. Cass » Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:06 am

Hi Michael.

While not a great substitute for the recomended foam, you can still make some decent ones out of closed cell camping pads and those foam pads that gardeners use to kneel on. Also, you might be able to find some used life preservers at a garage sale or something...then salvage the floatation foam from them.

If you go this route, the most expensive part of the weapon will be the aluminum bar (still only a couple of bucks at just about any hardware store). Also, you don't nesessarily need to cover the weapon in fabric (though that's recomended and makes a better sparring tool due to the slipperyness it imparts) a decent alternative is simply to cover the weapon in duct tape. Just enoufgh to keep the foam covered. It doesn't need to be wrapped too tight.

Hope this helps you out and gives you maybe a few ideas for easier to locate substitute foam. You shouldn't need to spend more than $10 on the total matereal cost, if you shop around and use your imagination. Remember: just shoot for realistic discernable edges and a close to realistic well balanced weight. The only way to really learn to make one, is just to try it out <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> Go for it and just remember it's just a training tool to keep your partner more or less safe. It doesn't need to be pretty, just useful.

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:32 am

This website gives a pretty good step by step intro to making a padded weapon with only a few common hand tools:

http://www.anomaly.org/wade/paddedsword/index.html

This is pretty much the same method I have used to make several weapons that have worked quite well.
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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Craig Peters » Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:33 pm

Michael,

See here: http://www.thearma.org/Practice/weapons.htm

The only material that's been difficult to find, I've found, is the closed-cell high impact foam. (I bought some sort of closed cell foam a while back, but I'm not sure if it's the right stuff. :P). You'll note that there are price estimates for the weapons.

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Craig Peters » Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:34 pm

Whoops. Didn't see the rest of the posts for some reason.

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Guest » Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:51 pm

Thanks, especially for the anomaly.org link. Anyway, I'm not worried too much about the price, since it's under $20, but I'm more concerned with finding the materials. I think maybe I'll try a search on google for the stuff.

Are there any suggestions whether I should look for Landau/L2000 padding or flotation foam? Is there much of a difference?

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Guest » Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:53 pm

Unless I'm mistaken, a wide variety of foam is available from McMaster Carr

http://www.mcmastercarr.com/

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Craig Peters » Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:41 am

Stacy,

Just a thought- why not add a link to the "Practice" section, under weapon construction, which takes people to a page of various distrubitors online who sell Landau/L2000 foam? I'd be willing to aid in this endeavour.

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:05 am

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Matt Shields » Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:52 am

I am confused by the meaning of "Metal Bolts" under the Old Padded Weapons instructions. Out of the few hardware stores I have visited, the closest thing I could find was a three foot metallic rod.

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Webmaster » Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:16 pm

Craig,

I'd be happy to post it if it will help the members out. If you could do me the favor of compiling a list with names and links and send it to me, I'll add it in the practice section and post here to notify everybody. Email it to me at webmaster@thearma.org.
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Re: Padded weapons

Postby Guest » Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:33 pm

Thanks for the links, but I have another question: does the closed cell foam from foamorder.com work as well as the recommended types? Also, at mcmaster.com... where's the foam? This list is huge.

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Re: Padded weapons

Postby JeanryChandler » Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:29 am

I can only speak from my own experience.

I have found that weapons with wooden slats in them or dowels in them tend to break, alot.

I make my weapons with PVC cores, and they are flat with discernable edges. I use schedule 80 PVC, which does not bend or whip. 3/4" Sch 80 works well for up to about 42". 1" for longer weapons.

There is a company called ACOR orthopedic which sells some excellent foam in sheets as thin as 1/16". I use that for the flats (usually 1/8") of my WMA weapons, with the blue camping pad stuff for the center.

I use carriage bolts, inserted into the pvc core at the handle, and quantities of large (1/2" - 3/4" internal diameter) iron washers to counterweight my weapons, at the pommel and sometimes the crossguard. All my weapons have accurate balance points and correct edge geometry.

Anyone coming to SK will get a chance to see and handle my weapons, as I'll be bringing some.

You can also see a few of them here:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/e/deodand23/thumbs/WarSw2.jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/e/deodand23/thumbs/arming1.jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/e/deodand23/thumbs/Long1.jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/e/deodand23/thumbs/Dagesse.jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/e/deodand23/thumbs/celt1.jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/e/deodand23/oldweapons/Viking%20Detail2.jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/e/deodand23/Thin/Thin6.jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/e/deodand23/Thin/Thin5.jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/e/deodand23/Thin/Thin4.jpg
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