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Ross Dean
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Head protection?

Postby Ross Dean » Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:07 pm

Following on from the very useful sparring gloves/wasters thread, has anyone used modern riot helmets (visor and nape protection) while sparring and, if so, what do you think of the protection provided?

A word on "sparring": many people view the words "spar" and "sparring" as not appropriate to swordplay. It is an accepted term for practice and competitive sword play in western Europe but please feel free to substitute whatever term you feel appropriate to constructive, learning-orientated and competitive sword-play.

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Re: Head protection?

Postby Guest » Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:07 am

Never tried a riot helmet but it sounds like it would work. I usually wear a three-weapon fencing mask or sometimes a lacrosse helmet. I think the key to free fighting without undue risk of injury is control. It is essential however, to have some basic protection, especially for the head/face in case someone hits too hard or off target. Can you buy riot helemts somewhere?

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Re: Head protection?

Postby Ross Dean » Sun Apr 20, 2003 10:49 am

Thanks for the reply Matt.

Yes you can buy such helmets - these folks supply them and I have found some in Army-Navy stores in the UK.

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Re: Head protection?

Postby Lance Chan » Sun Apr 20, 2003 12:15 pm

yes, it works. We use it here and it works quite well except for the thrusts from below, which may go directly into your face through the visor.

But otherwise, it works very well.
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Re: gorget vs. bevor?

Postby ChrisThies » Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:13 am

I have a couple questions in regards to utilizing a 3-weapon mask for sparring:
Does anyone also use a gorget or bevor in conjunction with the 3-weapon mask? There was/is a thread on making a gorget from hardware supplies, but I cannot find this particular thread.

Does anyone know how a modern reproduction 'munitions grade' (say 16 or 18 gauge steel) gorget or bevor would hold up against the occasional blow (either cuts or thrusts) of wooden or steel blunts?

From what I can find in regards to available reproduction 'munitions grade' armor, the gorgets provide protection all around the neck (360 degrees) but at a shorter (couple inches max?) height. Whereas the bevor provides a higher (chin or lower face height) protection, but this is only frontal (180 degrees) as the back of the neck is exposed. Assuming that the chin plate (lowered if hinged) of the bevor would fit beneath a 3-weapon mask, which (gorget vs. bevor) would be a better choice for use in conjunction with the 3-weapon mask?
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Re: gorget vs. bevor?

Postby Shane Smith » Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:55 am

Every three-weapon mask I've seen has a quilted cloth throat guard to protect that area of the body from blows.That guard would possibly interfere with a bevor. Jake Norwood has a custom fencing mask made for him that does have a few plates attached there for protection if I recall correctly. Jake's mask can be seen here http://www.thearma.org/photos/Gathering03/Misc/misc02.jpg
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Re: gorget vs. bevor?

Postby Ryan Ricks » Sat Apr 10, 2004 8:26 am

i would look into some SCA sources if you want a gorget. it's a requirement that all their fighters must have them.

i believe i heard somewhere that gorgets weren't widely used historically, but i'm not sure. any SCA armor probably isn't going to be too historically accurate, but i'm not sure how much they deviate

here's a link that might be interesting for your

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Re: gorget vs. bevor?

Postby Brian Hunt » Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:55 pm

Because a bevor has a chin, and a 3-weapon mask has a chin, I do not believe they would work well together at all. In the SCA it is a requirement that you have some form of rigid throat protection for both rapier and armoured combat. so they wear gorget's or an equivelant form of throat protection under their 3-weapons mask for use against schlager/epee blade's in their form of rapier combat. I think this is a bit of overkill, especially against the flexible blades they use, but hey they have an insurance company they have to keep happy. They also have to completly cover the back of their heads so they frequently sew a heavy cloth back onto their masks. When I still occansionally fence in the SCA, mostly to stay in conact with old friends, I use my prototype helmet, that I made 10 years ago, that Jake Norwood's helmet is based upon. I built Jakes, and the lames that it has for throat protection are of the same type as used on a 16th close helm, this gives great throat protection without having to use a gorget, and it passes muster in the SCA where most people use a gorget. Christian Fletcher used to have a really nice steel fencing helmet he sold for SCA rapier combat and it had a similar rigid type throat protection. Another intersting thing I have seen people do is make a leather type helmet that the 3-weapon mask attachs to. You can also make a simple gorget from leather. I prefer a steel or a hard plastic gorget for those times I think one is neccessary, or must wear one to meet other peoples weapon standards.

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3 weapon mask

Postby Olgierd Pado » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:28 am

Hi,

I have a question conc. mask strength. From the forum i've learned that I should get a three weapon mask. How strong should that be? Is 12 kg enough?


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