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new to ARMA

Postby Guest » Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:38 am

<img src="/forum/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" /> Hello, my name is JIm. not sure if i am posting this to the right topic board my i mew to this things. i am a to be new member and was wondering if there were members in the Wisconsin area. i live in the Tomah, Le croose area. thunking of a singel membership but my wife and join and we have three girls from yrs 12, 10 and 4 so we make try the study group thing. still need to read the youth part on the web page. lots of info there. was just wondering if ther were members in Wisconsin?

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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Jared L. Cass » Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:55 pm

Hi James! Good to see some more interest here in the badger state!

I'm located 20min west of Wausau. There are also two ARMA members located in Millwaukee, one down towards Lake Genevia, and maybe some interest up by Ladysmith.

Those are all of the members I know of. Hopefully they'll chime in hear, too. Feel free to email me anytime you want. Plus, this forum is a great tool. Don't be affraid to ask about anything you might not be clear on reguarding Ren. Martial Arts. Hope to hear more from you, your wife and kids!

It sucks that we're all so spread around the State. The study of historical european martial arts would be alot easier then!

FYI, us Wisconsin ARMA members are planning a study day some time soon. We'll be meeting around Madison. Email me for more info if this sounds cool to you <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

See you around!

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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Karen Rose » Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:15 pm

Hey James!
I'm from Milwaukee and am pretty new to this also. Jared has been a great resource and motivator. We do all plan to get together soon. You know how the weather is hereabouts!
Please ask lots of questions. Everybody is very helpful.
I've just recently gotten my first waster (wooden sword) and am starting to get the hang of feeling comfortable with it.
Check out the site....do some reading and get yourself an oak dowel!
Jared is right, we are about as spread out as you can get, but hopefully we can make a day of it before too long.
Glad to meet you! <img src="/forum/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Karen

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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Guest » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:43 am

Hi Jared,

Thanks for the reply. Yep the wife and kids. my Lady and i both fight heavy in the SCA. www.sca.org or www.northshield.org or 11 yr old fights boffer and our little one cant wait to be old enough.
Cool, so there is a study group going here in Wi great we join in. i didnt see it on the ARMA page. will have to take a closer look is there a link for info. Is there a yahoo type group for the Wi study group and if so how do i sign up? yes i would love to come down madison way if and when the Wi study group meets. details on this woould be great. hope to hear from you soon.

blessings, Jim C.

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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Guest » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:12 am

Hi Karen,

I have a number of rattan swords. i also just happen to have a Oak dowel. A waster is a ARMA sword right? I have printed out how to make a ARMA sword and will make one as soon as i get together all the stuff needed as well as a shield. this seems from my reading on the site a good started point. did you but your wooden swors or make it and if so is it the same as the guide lines on the site to my a ARMA sword. i fight with rattan swords but the balance of them and most sca swrd in my humble veiw are not were near the balance and lbs of my real swords. i am hoping that by joining ARMA and studying and learning gets me a little closer to what was in a time peroid that i love and love to study ans to reinact. when the studt group get together i will make it a point to be there as the site give graeat info and the face is great to but talking to somone face to face would be wonderful. hope me e mail makes sence. also one last thing before i forget what do you and Jared suggest I read first studt guild type wise?
i found and printed out the essay of the waster and am going to do a web search and attempt to make one. if that doest work out were would i be able to buy a good one?

blessings, Jim C.

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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Casper Bradak » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:53 am

http://www.thearma.org/essays/wasters.htm

"One of the most common historical training tools for the practice of swordsmanship throughout the Middle Ages and Renaissance was a wooden sword or waster. These were not light round sticks but heavy sword shaped training weapons. Wooden training swords are of course used in many martial arts around the world, most notably in Japanese, Chinese, Filipino and Indian styles. Yet, less widely known is that in Europe wooden practice weapons were also employed. They were used not just as substitutes for wide Medieval cutting blades but also for slender tapering Renaissance swords and even rapiers."
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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Brian Hunt » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:06 am

Hi James,

ARMA uses 4 different tools to study the art of the sword. Wooden wasters, padded weapons, steel blunts, &amp; steel sharps (for test cutting). The wooden waster is where everyone starts. It is a good tool to learn your techniques. I do not like most rattan swords that I have handled. They do not have a true flat or edge, they are perfectly round and do not give a good approximation of a sword, IMHO. You can check out some venders at this link http://www.thearma.org/links.htm the vendors who sell wasters are wooden weapons, hollowearth sword works, and stirling arms. You also might want to read everything under the 'Where to Start' link at the top of the page. I would also recommend reading http://www.thearma.org/methods.htm
and for your basics on the longsword, I would also read this article on the basic stances. http://www.thearma.org/essays/StancesIntro.htm I hope this helps you in your training, and hasn't come accross as anoying <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Karen Rose » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:10 pm

Hey James,
Ditto to everything you've just rread! <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> A good waster is the first place to start, although a dowel will work your arms and get you into some stances until your waster arrives. The wasters are balanced approximately like the real thing, although they don't slice through the air quite so beautifully.
The sword shape also will help you in learning to hold the sword at the correct angle. Many of the wooden sword makers make visits to the various Renaissance Faires around the country, so a little wait is to be expected. I have a couple extras on order for get togethers where others may be without.
Feel free to e-mail me anytime and I'll pass along any info I've picked up over the past few months. Don't be afraid to ask questions. (I believe if you click on my name you will get my info.)
I'd hesitate to make a waster unless you are quite in the know about different kinds of wood, how much stress they can take, how they splinter when broken. I'd hate to see you get injured because a waster gave way....and even the good ones do at times.
Hope that helps. Read, read, read all the essays and articles you can on the site. The information is based on 1000's of hours of experience.
Good luck!
Karen

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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Shane Smith » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:50 am

I have made about a half-dozen wasters of straight-grained red oak and they have held up reasonably well over the years.They stay servicable for about 5-7 months with a bit of sanding and re-oiling and then when they finally fail I make a new one for about 10 dollars(I scavenge cross-guards for re-use) My recent foray into commercially made wasters has been a bit of a letdown. My new 80 dollar commercial waster failed within just a few sessions when it cracked along an area of busy grain in the blades length. I often recommend making your own at this point.I will be from now on although I hope the maker in question will warranty the one waster I have. Also,if you decide to make your own,hickory is much preferred over oak. <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Jared L. Cass » Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:07 am

Hi again James!

Sounds like you should catch onto HEMA (historical european martial arts. Sometimes called HES: historical european swordsmanship) pretty quick. I'm sure as you delve into it alot more that you'll have to unlearn some of what you've picked up from SCA combat. That's not much of a big deal though, just keep your mind open and follow what the fechtbuch's /period texts have to tell you. A good number of other former/current SCA people are involved with ARMA.

If I'm reading you correctly, the "ARMA swords" you brought up in another post are actually just the padded weapons we use for contact sparring. As has been said befor by others, they are just one of the tools we use to relearn/interprept what's going on in the manuals. Wasters, sharps, blunts, and padded weapons. Each of these training tools has it's place, but none is perfect in our modern day and age. By working with the advantages and disadvantages of each tool, ARMA has proved that some real skill and understanding of swords, polearms, ect. in combat can defininently be learned.

As far as making your own wasters (wooden swords)...if you are confident in your woodworking skills (like I am)...go for it! You'll save lots of money and not be too dissapointed when a waster (home made of "proffesionally" made) inevitably breaks. You'll be out $5 rather than $65. If you do a search of the forums, you'll see a good number of threads dealing with making your own. It also helps prior to building one, to have a look and to handle some of the commercial built ones. Also, keep in mind POB, weight, ect of "real swords". By doing that, you'll be able to produce a pretty decent waster.

Oh, also, Wisconsin doesn't have any official study groups. The ARMA members Wisconsin does have are just individual associates. If a group of us lived closer together to be able to regularly train on a weekly basis or so, we'd have one...I'm sure. For now though, since we're all so spread out, we're all just training solo. Seminars, visiting other associates/study groups from out of state, and the inevitable "Wisconsin ARMA Associate Training Day" are where we each can try out what we've been learning. You're in abit more advantagious position than I am...you have your wife and kids to learn with. Get some sticks and start training! <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

Good to have you around! Keep asking questions and you'll be the next Fiore in no time <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

Jared L. Cass, ARMA Associate, Wisconsin

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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Guest » Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:18 pm

hi Jarad,

i do the search. when Wisconsin traing day come about please let me know. As if there is somthing i can go to help let me know as well. it would be cool is we could meet in a central local maybe once a mounth
jim

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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Guest » Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:25 pm

thanks for you insite. the plan is to make one. i am site doing research on them but i should be able to begin working on mine in a week or two

jim

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Re: new to ARMA

Postby ChrisThies » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:30 pm

Hello James,
The manufactured wooden waster I had the opportunity to handle was very nice and much more 'beefy' compared to what I've made on my own. But as Shane has pointed out, self-made wasters are about 1/6th the price. And you've got an army to arm!

I also think that it would be cool if all of us could meet once and awhile at a central location, and I look forward to meeting you (and all the other scattered WI Armateers) when we do. Madison would be fine with me, and I'm even willing to drive further.
Chris
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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Aaron Pynenberg » Tue May 04, 2004 4:18 am

Hello, also new to the ARMA, I am from Appleton, does anyone know if Wisconsin is having a seminar or a group that is meeting to train?
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Re: new to ARMA

Postby Arthur D Colver » Tue May 04, 2004 8:10 am

I would advise against using oak for making your own waster as it tends to splinter and Hickory is hard to work with; hard maple was suggested by a local wood expert and has served me well - it is quite durable and is easy to work with.
just my two cents worth making your own waster

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