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Re: Replica longbows?

Postby Matt Shields » Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:29 am

No. I'm afraid it's not that simple.

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Re: Replica longbows?

Postby Olgierd Pado » Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:53 am

An article about English longbows and how they are supposed to be have been made in the past:

http://www.student.utwente.nl/~sagi/artikel/longbow/longbow.html

Personally, I think that if you want to take up archery, instead of making your own bow it is better to find a bowyer who can give you some advice as to what bow would be appropriate for you and simply buy one.
It is also a good idea to test shoot a few bows with different draw weights to see which suits you best. If you are not a reenactor you may choose a wooden bow or a bow made from modern materials. Wooden bows require greater care and maintenance. Modern replicas are less demanding and better for novice archers.
I would also recommend using wooden arrows instead of modern aluminum ones - they are more forgiving and have greater draw tolerance.

Knotted bows do not have to be ugly IMHO <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />. They were probably polished and well made. The knots were left on the stave so as not to weaken good wood.

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Re: Replica longbows?

Postby Tim Merritt » Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:56 am

Yea, that's a good article--what I was thinking of when I mentioned that not many have survived. Written about the time the "big" excavations started of the Mary Rose, so between the info in that article and the new info garnered from the excavations, it paints a pretty good picture of archery in that time and place.
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Re: Replica longbows?

Postby Trent Sharp » Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:34 pm

Bowyers will always select staves that have no knocks in them. Bows will actually be weaker if knocks are present.
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Re: Replica longbows?

Postby Olgierd Pado » Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:37 am

OK, perhaps I did not make myself clear:
If possible, bowyers will tend to select wood without knots when thay have the chance.
However, in some cases good wood was scarce and they had to make do with what was available (knotty wood). They did not cut the knots out, but sort of "flowed with the grain" when making bow staves.

And one more thing: you could probably make an ugly, primitive, knotted bow that our stone age ancestors used - but I doubt you would be impressed with its performance <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Replica longbows?

Postby Shane Smith » Sun May 02, 2004 4:58 pm

I found what I think is an excellent article on the use of the English longbow in combat here; http://www.primitivearcher.com/articles/englisharchery.html

I found it interesting that at the end of the article,there is a mention of the remains of period archers being physically deformed from years of drawing heavy draw-weight war bows in combat and training <img src="/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Replica longbows?

Postby Trent Sharp » Sun May 02, 2004 6:05 pm

Here, is a passage from The Archer's Guide by an Old Toxophilite. It gives an example of an ambush with longbows, which it gives a few others, and was an aspect not reached in the article (as good as it was.) In the poem of Chaucer it tells us of the Archers use of sword and buckler, Which is interesting for us practicing Swordsmanship as well.




It appears, also, that in this reign, (anno 1377,) the French landed at the Isle of Wight, and having taken and destroyed the town of "Franche-Ville," directed their march for Carisbrooke castle. The English, alarmed at the invasion, took the measures necessary for their defence, and arranged their forces, which consisted principally of archers, in the best order. The archers were placed in ambush, and one division of the French army having fallen into the snare that was laid for them, became a prey to the deadly effect of their shafts, and being hemmed is a narrow road, are reported to have been all killed or wounded in the encounter. The other division of the French forces had commenced an attack upon Carisbrooke Castle, but the archers having advanced to its relief, soon cleared the island of its intruders.

In the poems of Chaucer, also, we have the following curious account of an archer of that day:


"And he was clade in cote and hode of grene;
A sheaf of peacocke arrowes bright and keen,
Under his belt he bare full thriftily:
Well coude he dresse his takel yewmanly:
His arowes drouped not with fethers lowe,
And in his hande he bare a mighty bowe;
A not hed hadde he; with a browne visage
Of woodcraft coude he well all the usage.
Upon his arms he had a gaie bracer,
And by his side a sword and a bokeler;
And on the other side he had a gaie daggere,
Harneised wel, and sharp as point of spere;
A cristofre on his breast of silver shelle,
A horn he bare, the baudrek was of grene."
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Re: Replica longbows?

Postby Shane Smith » Sat May 22, 2004 10:52 am

I just received the 72"/52-1/2# Ipe hickory-backed English Longbow today from www.rudderbows.com . I put about 25 arrows downrange and am largely happy.It looks very classic and is quite well-finished in my opinion. It is no speed demon(It seems slower than my 48# glass/wood laminated longbow)but it does seem to shoot consistantly.In fact,I seem to hit more surely with this than with my more modern bows.Go figure.

Nit picks;
1. The grip wrap fits fairly loosely and will move under draw a bit on occasion.Since I intend to remove it as ahistorical,I consider that of no real consequence.

2.My bow has a bit of set in the limbs new out of the box.(I bought a discount priced floor model so that may not be representative of the entire line).

3.Horn nocks would be a wonderful addition to this bow!

Overall,for the price paid and the level of quality,I am content.Quite a bargain I think. Now I must work up to an 80# yew selfbow and all will be well. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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