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Athens and Budapest Event Report

Postby John_Clements » Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:43 am

On April 18th and 20th ARMA held its first-ever seminars in Greece and Hungary!

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Our ARMA Athens Study Group hosted a NTP 1.0 event attended by more than 25 enthusiasts, many from the Greek martial arts community, including several leading practitioners of jujitsu and grappling arts. Thanks to ours Athens group leader Angelos Pantelios for organizing and hosting this excellent opportunity to bring Renaissance martial arts back to the cradle of Western civilization. It was a pleasure for me to visit and to be able to offer for the first time a course like this in Greece.

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I was happy to see the Athens Study Group has considerable potential. They also have one of the most unique areas to practice in, an outdoor amphitheatre surrounded by natural rock hills overlooking this ancient city. We also viewed weapons and armor at the National Army Museum in Athens, where some interesting pieces were on display. Finally, I can definitely testify that the famous hospitality of the Greeks is not exaggerated.
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In the gorgeous city of Budapest, Hungary ARMA was welcomed by the SAGA medieval combat reenactment society (Schola Artis Gladii et Armorum). Thanks to our host Garbo Erényi with the help of Péter Györfi the event was held in the magnificent Budapest Castle, Magyar Kultúra Alapítvány Háza (“House of Hungarian Culture”).
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The event was a bit of a challenge given the translation requirements and the equipment, but the students were very eager and talented. For myself, it was a personal experience to be able to return something about this craft back to Hungary, given that my own original saber instructor was the well-known Hungarian saber-master, the late Louis Bankuti, former Olympian and long-time fencing instructor at Columbia Univ.
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It was a pleasure to be able to present the first-ever serious course on authentic Renaissance martial arts in Hungary. The eagerness there for genuine information on real historical European fighting arts there is as strong as anywhere, as is the potential. It was also interesting to be able to learn something about the actual facts surrounding supposed “experts” on alleged “medieval Hungarian saber fencing,” and to learn the true details. It certainly helps our community to evaluate the false claims and hype from certain individuals of dubious character. (Not only that, but the information one acquires from local sources when investigating such things at their source can be quite amusing.)
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Most exciting in Budapest was that we were also able to spend some invaluable time handling antique swords and arms at the Hadtörténeti Múzeum (Museum of War History), where curator László Töl shared ARMA’s enthusiasm for evaluating historical blades from the perspective of design and function. Some splendid pieces were on hand to inspect and the research gathered will surely prove useful. The opportunity to conduct research into Eastern European swords and fencing artwork was invaluable.
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My 8 day trip was exhausting, and I returned with the flu and a sprained shoulder, but it was time well spent.
Thanks to everyone for making it a success. Given the enthusiasm of my welcome and the overwhelming reaction to the seminars, I am sure I will visit again.

A full report on the trip and the event will be posted soon.
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Re: Athens and Budapest - inspecting swords

Postby John_Clements » Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:10 am

A sample of some of the fine swords we examined.
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Another absolutely splendid early 1600s schiavonia. What superb swords some of these truly are.
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A rare saxon-hilted cutlass, c.17th century.
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A once magnificient 14th century war sword, now heavily caroded but still robust.
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A wonderful and well-balanced cup hilt rapier, a light and stiff blade late-16th century blade, mounted to a 18th or 19th century hilt.
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A close up of the edge damage on the last quarter of a warsword, the same distinct tell-tale marks appear as on modern repros struck edge on edge. Even the orginals could not take such wear and abuse.
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A side view from the middle of a true rapier blade clearly revealing its thick cross-section and near complete lack of sharp cutting edge.
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Re: Athens and Budapest Event Report

Postby Gene Tausk » Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:29 am

Being of Hungarian descent (my mom is Hungarian), I can only say...

GREAT!!! (Just 'cause my mom is Hungarian doesn't mean I speak the language - it's probably the most impossible language ever designed by human beings!)

It's good to see that traditional European martial arts are indeed returning to this ancient European civilization. Hungarians are excellent sport fencers and it is only natural that they should look into traditional European weaponry as well. Good job and I am definitely looking forward to the report.


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Re: Athens and Budapest Event Report

Postby Jared L. Cass » Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:32 am

Sounds and looks like it was an awsome time!

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Re: Athens and Budapest Event Report

Postby Mike Cartier » Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:04 pm

Wow that looks like you had alot of fun. Were there any ancient greek weapons on display that you got to try John?
I've always wanted to heft one ofthose Greek hoplite swords.
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Re: Athens and Budapest Event Report

Postby JeffGentry » Sat May 01, 2004 12:01 am

boy Greece home of the Spartan's an exceptional warrior society, look's like a good turn out.
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Re: Athens and Budapest Event Report

Postby Guest » Sun May 02, 2004 6:19 am

We certainly had loads of fun with John around, not to mention the much needed experience acquired. Also, the response of the Eastern Martial Arts audience here has been quite interesting. We'll be publishing a couple of articles soon regarding ARMA and the seminar and we'll see how "waters are stirred".

Looking forward to John's full review of the trip!

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Re: Athens and Budapest Event Report

Postby noah gross » Sun May 02, 2004 9:14 am

John it sounds and looks like you all had a great time.
I appreciate your willingness to travel across the globe to further knowledge in the field.
As all of those who did not attend im jealous, all the more so since it was the closest event to my home (Israel).
I was really set on attending, but financials got in the way (again).
Angel, i hope we meet in the future,
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Re: Athens and Budapest Event Report

Postby Jeffrey Hull » Sun May 02, 2004 4:00 pm

Way cool there! I would have liked to have gone to both events. Snazzy training areas at both. JH
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Re: Athens and Budapest Event Report

Postby TimSheetz » Sun May 02, 2004 4:21 pm

John,

Awesome! I think Budapest is a beautiful city. I've been at the church you have in the photo there!

Excellent.

Any new insights into the historic weapons?

Tim
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Re: Athens and Budapest

Postby Guest » Tue May 04, 2004 9:57 am

On behalf of the Hungarian team, I would like to thank John for the enormous help he has provided us about Western Martial Arts!

John, we hope you had a great time and we look forward for meeting you again. Thanks a lot!

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Re: Athens and Budapest

Postby Jamie Fellrath » Thu May 20, 2004 12:33 pm

I was just looking at the pictures from your event in Budapest, Gabor. That's quite the training room you have there!

For everyone else: http://www.middleages.hu/fellepesek/20040420e.html
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