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my day with arma virginia beach

Postby Ryan Ricks » Mon May 24, 2004 8:13 pm

so sunday i had my first ever meeting with other ARMA members at the virgina beach study group. it was pretty intense, there was so much to learn that it will take quite some time to digest. i was happy to see that my own training had definately put me on the right track to WMA, however i was quickly made aware of some critical shortcomings. there is such an amazing difference between trying to learn this on one's own, and having very knowledgeable instructors. so here's what i learned:

1. my stance and passing steps were too exaggerated, making my stance more sideways than fowards. shane gave me a really good reason as to why this was bad

2. i learned that ochs and pflug should have their points aimed at your adversary's face. also, ochs is held much higher and more forward than i had though. this keeps the guard well forward of the face for protection.

3. i leanred the importance of holding the hilt such that the cross guard forms a 45 degree angle. this keeps your hands from getting destroyed when one tries versetzen.

4. i learned the 4 versetzen. apparently our blocking via pflug wasn't correct, since it doesn't displace and threaten at the same time

5. i got a good look at the false edge master strikes, zwerch, schiel, and krumphau. i was able to correct my understanding of the krumphau.

6. i learned kron, stopping the strike with your left hand, and a halfswording hard stop as counters to a zornhau.

here are some general impressions i had from the day:

first of all my wimpy waster was no match for the real ones. although i was quite proud the blade didn't break. i had no concept of these beefy hardwood wasters and the force they deliver. shane and i were doing what seemed to me like almost full speed hängen und zornhau drills. that was something! wow. and then the versetzen drills, also something to behold. here comes this huge waster at me, and i'm versetzing with only the strong of my waster and the guard between me and total hand and finger oblivion! very scary!

i was of course probably the youngest and smallest guy there. which was amazing to me, because my practice partner back in Atl is pretty close to my size. so the differences in height and reach were crazy. shane is like way tall. makes timed counter cuts difficult.

being able to execute a technique in a drill where you know what strike is coming at you, and then in a sparring or situation when you don't know what's coming is quite another thing. i knew this from dealing with my partner, but this was re-inforced. future drills with me need to emphasize counter against an unknown attack.

impressions from sparring:

so before i left for the day, i agreed to go up against matt anderson (i think, so bad with names). i must say i got the utter snot beat out of me. i was dissapointed that i didn't put up a better fight, especially in light of all the things i had just learned. the padded waster was kind of akward for me. for some reason i had trouble dealing with it. maybe it was too big for me? maybe i was already tired from the drills?

so here i was, knowing that the moment i attack, i was going to be quite thoroughly squashed. timed countercuts to the arms, head, shoulders, etc. because of the akwardness of the waster, i was slow on the attack, and not really able to recover quickly enough to defend. so i was dead like whoa.

finally someone was like: "you need to call the hits if they're good, or else he'll keep coming." i was thinking call the hits? what do they mean call the hits, i'm too busy watching the little birdies fly around in circles over my head. it was enough to just concentrate on what i was doing.

getting such a thorough beating made me even more determined to effectively learn WMA. i think the key here is more drills against an unknown attack. i can't really remember executing any effective counters, much less hitting matt. maybe next time i'll be able to do better. as soon as i fix the guard on my waster, i'll be able to practice the things i learned sunday. you can bet that next time i'll be better!

in conclusion, sunday was most awesome. despite getting a good pounding (a zornhau almost knocked me over!) i learned so much. the first thing to do is address the bad habits i've taught myself. if i had a padded waster that i could handle, i think i could do MUCH better.

so thanks guys for a very awesome day! i'll definately be back for another beat-down i'm sure <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: my day with arma virginia beach

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Mon May 24, 2004 8:29 pm

Ryan,

We were really glad you could make it down, we all enjoyed meeting and training with you. Your point about the padded weapons is well taken, the ones we were using Sunday were a bit heavy and bulky. We have had a lot of problems with the cores breaking and so beefed them up a bit. Keep training and I'm sure the next time we spar you'll do much better.
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Re: my day with arma virginia beach

Postby David Kite » Mon May 24, 2004 9:01 pm

Ah yes, I remember sparring with Matt in New York last summer. Saying his blows are powerful is an understatement <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

I agree that having partners is much better than trainng alone (as most of my training is), but being taught and beaten by those with greater skill and experience is about as good a teacher as you can get.

VAB is definitely a great group of guys. It's too bad I don't live closer, or I'd go get the snot beaten out of me once in a while.

Congratulations on a successful day of training and good luck remembering everything you've learned.

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Re: my day with arma virginia beach

Postby Randall Pleasant » Mon May 24, 2004 10:50 pm

Ryan

A great day of training indeed! Such an honest self-evaluation of one's own performance in training reflects highly. It actually sounds like you made a very good showing of yourself. Remember, the VB scholars are some of the heavy weights of ARMA. Many of us were enlighten <img src="/forum/images/icons/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> by them at the International Event last year.
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Re: my day with arma virginia beach

Postby joelthompson1 » Tue May 25, 2004 4:35 am

Ryan, glad you enjoyed your first outing with us crazies. That was a really good session. It's always good to have new people and see their interpretations of the various forms. We always enjoy working with the newer members. Teaching is a great way to hone one's own skills as well as helping newer scholars.
You and Cathy Ferrier were fearless in your first go at padded sparring. Banging heads with Matt and Shane can be a bit intimidating. Very impressive. That is an eye opener isn't it? We're looking forward to training with you in the future. Perhaps ARMA VAB can make a road trip and come up to train with you and Hugh Long. It was good to see Hugh come down from DC as well as Bob Savage from the Eastern Shore (of the Chesapeake Bay). It turned an average training session into an event.

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Re: my day with arma virginia beach

Postby Shane Smith » Tue May 25, 2004 8:03 am

It was great to have you stop in Ryan! Your bouting with Matt really got the ball rolling.Everyone ended up gearing up and we probably spent at least an hour engaged in intense fencing with the padded weapons after you left. Good times!

I think you did very well in your first formal training session and you did well in freeplay I thought( I fearlessly confide to you that all three original ARMA VAB members did me as bad or worse when I first fenced with them.I will spare you the tale of being soundly and utterly bested by Matt,Joel and Bob on my first day. Like you,I didn't get discouraged,I got fired up and motivated to succeed <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" /> Many of us now-competent ARMA types can tell a similar story of our earliest days <img src="/forum/images/icons/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

I am constantly amazed at the good natured manner that our guys seem to share even on first meeting. See you next month.Work your combinations and drills hard before then!
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Re: my day with arma virginia beach

Postby Shane Smith » Tue May 25, 2004 8:23 am

Speaking of NY, if I'm not mistaken,I believe that David and I fencing at the outset of the Intl Event may well have been the first bout of the event proper. David said it was his first free-play with padded weapons as well I believe. Anyways,to see the tremendous improvement that David(The fearless!) made between day one and the end of the event where he participated in the prize-playing was quite inspirational! He and Jake were something to see(I don't think David knows how to back up!) <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" /> So you see Ryan,a sound thrashing is simply a rite of passage on the way to competency. David progressed immensely over the course of just one weekend...I can't wait to learn a few tricks at the point of his sword next time around! <img src="/forum/images/icons/cool.gif" alt="" />
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Re: my day with arma virginia beach

Postby David Kite » Tue May 25, 2004 3:29 pm

"(I don't think David knows how to back up!) " For the record, and contrary to the teachings of George Silver, I for one can backstep a helluva lot faster than I can move forward when properly inspired. Maybe Jake was just too easy <img src="/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Re: my day with arma virginia beach

Postby Jake_Norwood » Wed May 26, 2004 4:24 pm

oooohhh....

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Re: my day with arma virginia beach

Postby Shane Smith » Wed May 26, 2004 5:32 pm

Jake has found you out David. You are now "Officially" DOOMED... <img src="/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />
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