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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby John_Clements » Mon Sep 06, 2004 3:57 pm

Guys, I finally got to try out with these designs this weekend at Gene Tausk's Prize Playing event in Magnolia, TX. Ernie Perez has several he made. I can say with confidence: WOW!

I was very, very impressed. These must surely now be our official Gen IV padded contact weapons.

I was really surprised how well they felt, almost like a steel blade still in it's sheath. The weight and balance was good in handling, the blade shape thin and the flat side firm, and the edge foam just safe enough not to hurt. I am very happy with them. They held up to hard blows and moved well in all techniques. I have every confidence these are the best padded contact weapons I've yet used. I do not intend to reccommend any other.

Congrats.

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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Jared L. Cass » Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:53 pm

!00% agreement here! A week or so ago Chris Thies, Aaron Pynberg, and I got together for a couple of hours training and Chris had made some (with a few personal mods.) and they were great! If others haven't made these new ones yet, do your self a favor and do so ASAP. They kick a$$.

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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Francisco Uribe » Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:29 pm

Would it be possible to get a webpage either on the public or the members area, with detailed information on how to build these babies?

I will try to make padded swords in the near future and I would like to give this particular design a try.

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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Brian Hunt » Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:44 pm

Ummm,

I believe John said in his post script that there will be an upcoming article on how to make these.

hope that helps.

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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Randall Pleasant » Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:23 pm

The DFW study group is planning on meeting at Ernies house in the next week or two to build a set of padded swords for each member. I was thinking of video taping the process and having Ernie describe what he and other study group members are doing. We could transfer it to VHS and send a copy around for each study group to copy.

I always wanted to start some chain mail. <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> I'll include a warning that failure to build a padded sword after receiving the tape will result in very bad luck in sparring at the 2005 International Event. <img src="/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/icons/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby JeffGentry » Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:43 pm

Hey

i already have more half finshed building project's than i need am i starting on another?

well i was planning on trying it anyway was going to wait til i finished the Gen 2.2, guess i need to go to Lowe's. <img src="/forum/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Francisco Uribe » Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:43 am

Randall,
That video is a really good idea.
I offer my help to put it in a digital format that could be distributed using CDs. Please let me know if you actually tape anything.

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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Michael Eging » Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:10 pm

We purchased these hand and a half padded weapons in May 2004 and other than a couple of punctures in the blade covering material and some loose edges, the weapons on the blades is holding up to a lot of punishment.

The overall feel of the weapons feels a bit blade light. Would recommend a bit more "heft" in the blade.

While the blade length is about right, the length of the hilt is very snug for two-handed applications. A side-by-side with a Del Tin hand and a half showed that the hilt was in fact on the short side. With padded gloves, the sword is really a single hand fit. Would recommend approximately 2" on the hilt. The slats on the hilt give the weapon a good feel approximating a sword hilt.

The cross-guard on all three weapons arrived loose, so we assumed that was intentional. However, the padding on the guards is not sufficient to allow for their use in combat. We beefed them up with additional padding. Further, the cross-guards do bend. Would look to a stronger alloy in the metal there as well. We have straightened one of the cross guards, but we are not sure how much longer it will hold up.

The pommels came padded and covered with duct tape. However, would also recommend additional padding there to allow for pommel use in combat. Using the same material used on the blades to cover the padding on the crossguard and pommel, the finish on the weapons would improve dramatically.

The cores have held up extremely well. We break our padded weapons on a regular basis. These three bastard swords have held up well over nearly 4 months of use during our study sessions. One of them actually left quite a dent in a three-weapon mask. With a bit of attention to the coverings as mentioned earlier, these look like they will hold up for further use by our study group. The material used for the covering of the blade is very tough.

More updates to come with further use.

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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby GaryGrzybek » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:57 pm

I'd like to add some of my thoughts to Mike's post since I also had the pleasure of putting these padded swords to the test <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> When Mike told me he ordered these from Lance in Hong Kong I was quite suprised and eager to try them out.



My first observation found the overall appearance and construction to be quite pleasing. These are not bulky or unpleasant looking like some of the home made stuff we've made in the past. The blade covering and padding feel real nice and allow for good hard strikes without too much discomfort. Blade on blade action was very suprising as these tend not to stick like duct tape coverings. Lance said we should put lubricant on them but that's something we still need to try. The cross section is kind of oval so it's pretty easy to tell where the edge is. The blade tracks well and is flexible but not whippy at all. During our sparring sessions several things became aparent to me. Although classified as a bastard sword I found them to be too short not only in the blade but in the grip. With thin leather gloves my hands feel crowded and with lacrosse gloves I actually have to grip the pommel in order to fit both hands comfortably. The overall heft and balance feels decent but still too light. I can whip these things around like toy boffers which can obviously distort proper technique. Our personal feeling is that these would make a much better short sword. We managed to bend several of the guards which appear to be aluminum alloy. By either thickening the guard or switching to a stronger material would definately helps matters here. Lance padded the guard and pommel for us but the foam was too thin and really didn't add enough protection. I easily fixed the problem by adding some good closed cell foam.

Overall, I think Lance is on the right track with "Realistic Sparring Weapons" but with some fine tuning he could go much further in providing a good sound training tool. Feedback from various martial arts groups along with extensive testing will only allow for refinement and I hope we can further aid in this process.
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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Lance Chan » Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:43 pm

Thanks for the feedback. We've made another model of bastard sword to fit the length, weight and weight distribution's requirement:

http://www.rsw.com.hk/bastardsword.htm#longsword

And we'll definitely work on the guard issue.

BTW, do try putting baby oil on the blade for sparring... It makes the blade slip up and down during contact, reduce a significant amount of bounce and become more realistic.
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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby GaryGrzybek » Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:52 am

Great Lance!

Maybe we'll get to try that new model at some point <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Ryan Ricks » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:09 am

yow! that's a serious machine there. i think i'm gonna have to order one of those.

can you PM me with some details on shipping, etc?

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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Lance Chan » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:22 am

Will do. Check PM.
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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Chris Jarko » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:28 pm

Lance -

I'm interested as well. Could you PM me also? Thanks very much.
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Re: Padded swords to be tested

Postby Anthony Boyd » Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:52 am

I was fortunate enough to find willing partners to help me try out the RSW claymore I received recently. It really packs a whallop.

It's pretty much as Lance describes it on his website, a little more rigid than other RSW blades, heavy, but well-balanced. The thrust was very decisive and almost as jarring as the cuts. Blows to the head caused visible stun in the opponent and most strong hits caused significant body displacement.

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