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Postby Allen Johnson » Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:10 pm

Thomas Page's The Use of the Broad Sword 1746-- Specifically its use by the Highlanders. I know this is a little late in the period for most people, but I love it! <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> I havent had a chance to read through it but its another addition to my favorite place and period!
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Re: New Manual Online

Postby John_Clements » Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:31 pm

Yeah, I have this booklet, it's not well known. Funny how it relies on the "Scymitar" and smallsword derived elements to supposedly present a modern military cut &amp; thrust style of the Scots, but is not that different from many other similar works of the era and later.

Also it's remakeable in what it reveals of how much things changed in that period from earlier skills and knowledge of fencng. Note for example how he states nonsense of earlier swords things that became accepted fact in the 19th (&amp; 20th) century: their "Form was rude, and their use without Method. They were the Instruments of Strength, not the Weapons or Art. The Sword was enormous length and breadth, heavy and unweildy, design'd only for right down chopping by the Force of a strong Arm." (p. A3). And follows it up with the comment how "two Combatants only hack'd and chop'd each other til the weakest drop'd' (p. vi).

Notice also how it uses the standard conventions of the period, with stops forte edge upon forte edge, and borrows from the smallsword. (p. 10 &amp; 12).

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Re: New Manual Online

Postby Allen Johnson » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:44 pm

Yeah I noticed that too. How quickly do people get the wrong ideas about things when they are out of practice and you have a political adgenda <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> It really reflects the attitude of the time with the idea that swordsmansip reached its zenith with the smallsword. I wonder how available were the medieval and later manuals were to people. Before the internet none of us had any of them. Is it plauseable to think they may have been about as rare in the mid 1700's? Just a thought.
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Re: New Manual Online

Postby Rabbe J.O. Laine » Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:56 am

It really reflects the attitude of the time with the idea that swordsmansip reached its zenith with the smallsword.


I don't know - many masters advocated either the spadroon or the backsword over the smallsword.

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Re: New Manual Online

Postby Allen Johnson » Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:22 pm

Good point... However this does illustrate that there are obviously misconceptions about how medieval combat worked and that whatever thing they practiced at the time, or whatever master, teacher, school, dojo, sensei-whatever the were attending, that, that is the best method above all others. We often see similar things whenever we hear of a "Which sword is best" debate.
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