Fullplate Riding & Joust

[steve hick]

Kristi asked me to post this for her:

I do not have a Portuguese bullfighting saddle; I have a Hungarian horse archery saddle. (which is also very medieval in design) I did mention that the above saddles are very medieval. The preference for all the masters I mentioned (Dom Duarte, Monte, Reayo et al) was that they "ride short rather than long". The long stirrups were considered the "old style" used for jousting, but Dom Duarte himself prefers the leg slightly flexed in the Gineta saddle. Thanks for helping to clarify this! Hope you are well! Kristi

[JeffGentry]

Hey Steve

The long stirrups were considered the "old style" used for jousting, but Dom Duarte himself prefers the leg slightly flexed in the Gineta saddle

Could you ask her why he prefer's to ride short?

It seem's like riding long would be better for the simple fact you would be able to lean forward slightly and brace more with the leg's pushing against the stirup's.

And if you are sword fighting or wrestling in the saddle it seem's like it would be better to stand up more like you would on the ground.

Jeff

[steve hick]

Jeff, I have the translation on another computer I will go there and pull out the relevant material, if its not too long, in which case I will paraphrase it. The whole thing is through editing at Chivalry Bookshelf and likely to be published this year or early next.
Steve

[JeffGentry]

Hey Steve

I have the translation on another computer I will go there and pull out the relevant material, if its not too long, in which case I will paraphrase it. The whole thing is through editing at Chivalry Bookshelf and likely to be published this year or early next.

So someone is working on a book for mounted combat?

If so what time period is being covered?

Jeff

[philippewillaume]

Hello
The problem with riding medieval long, if I understood medieval texts and pictures right is related to where your fleets are in the stirrups.
I do not think it correspond to what we call riding long in modern equitation.
Lots of early illustration shows the legs straight (as in extended and the stirrups almost at the ankle
If you take the battle of san romano for example foot are more like a modern dressage position.
The leg as slightly bended so that the your shoulder your arse and your heel are in the same vertical line or about)
See http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/u/uccello/3florenc/1hawkwoo.html to see what I mean.

I think this is this position that give the mobility and flexibility to do that type of stufg
http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/u/uccello/4battle/
Niccolò da Tolentino Leads the Florentine Troops (detail) the second thumbnail from the top.

That being said they do extend their leg forward when the charge.
Look at the first picture. Niccolò da Tolentino Leads the Florentine Troops.


Any way I thing this is opposed to the picture of the guy in the background in the front page before you hit enter
http://www.destriertournamenter.wanadoo.co.uk/ (that the group I am jousting with)
I think that is what riding long in medieval terme means.

I hope that made sense

[JeffGentry]

Hey Philippe

The problem with riding medieval long, if I understood medieval texts and pictures right is related to where your fleets are in the stirrups.
I do not think it correspond to what we call riding long in modern equitation.
Lots of early illustration shows the legs straight (as in extended and the stirrups almost at the ankle

Yea that is the same thing i see in artwork, we are on the same page modern long and medieval long are 2 diffrent thing's.

I think some of it has to do with the design of there saddle if you look at the saddle's in those picture's the cantel realy wrap's the arse and hip's, it seem's to be a repeated thing in "war" saddle's that i see in art work.

I think that is what riding long in medieval terme means.

In alot of the art work on the euroweb site, i am seeing the same thing in those battle scene's very long in the stirup feet forward.

I don't ever remember seeing a Modern jouster who ride's that way.

is it the design of the saddle?

would it be better to have a saddle like in the art work?

what exactly was the seat of a Medieval saddle?

More question's than answer's

Jeff

[Jeffrey Hull]

PW:

*I think this is this position that give the mobility and flexibility to do that type of stuff
http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/u/uccello/4battle/
Niccolò da Tolentino Leads the Florentine Troops (detail) the second thumbnail from the top.*

I also like how the picture also portrays a nice versetzen with the blade-flat against the hammer-arm of foe <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

I know that was off-topic.

[philippewillaume]

yes, that is even in ringeck horse techniques... <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />
(so that guy is really bussy a lance a sword a hammer, i would not like to be him..)

[Aaron Pynenberg]

That is pretty sweet- thanks for those links- (not be him-I don't know man he's in full armor and those swords look as if they are not doing alot- but that hammer-whew! that will crack a few heads, he's is probably having the time of his life)- OK bad joke- Aaron