New Orleans sparring clips-fixed

[JeanryChandler]

Well, I'll try to answer, though I'm not sure if I understand.

If I remember correctly, that was our first bout of the day, of a planned total of ten. The rules we were sparring by are that a bout is won after any significant cut or thrust landed on one of the two opponents, on any part of the body including hands and feet. Hit's with incorrect edge placement or hits which are very light are not counted.

In this match, it is very simple. I cut once with what I believe is called a zornhau mastercut, which went through his attack (effectively deflecting his strike) and hit him hard on the back. You can even hear him vocalize a little right after the sound of the impact.

Because Skip had been hit, we both recognized that the bout was over so we reset.

Does that answer your question?

J

[Anthony Boyd]

Yes, that covers everything, thanks.

[JeanryChandler]

I don't suppose you would care to elaborate a bit....?

[Alfred Wong]

Dear Anthony,

I guess maybe Jeanry's and your sparring intend has a bit in different...

[Anthony Boyd]

Sorry Jeanry, that was a short response, wasn't it!

When I watched the clip it was with your earlier comments in mind that you liked a bout to go until the other gent was clearly dead - not stopping on an independently non-lethal hit.
From the side-on angle in this clip, it looked to me like Skip was struck a blow on the shoulder through his guard. My reaction was to expect a follow up attack from one or both of you. As I don't know either of you, I couldn't tell from whom the gasp came. It could have been either one. Now that I know it was Skip, it makes the reset all the more understandable.
I asked what the set up of the situation was so that I would have a better sense of what I was looking at. From a certain point of view, Skip was in a great position to kick or punch, his right arm was unharmed and in a good grip to deliver a powerful strike to your legs, etc.
The unknown factor is the pain of a real cut and that is well-covered by the rules you explained. We aren't in a position to know what a wounded fighter would be capable of doing in a given situation. Your rules for the encounter remove the troublesome problem of "Well, I could have..."
So, because I didn't think your strike on him looked all that final, and because stopping at the first contact didn't seem like your style, I thought I would check what I thought I was seeing with what you knew had happened.
Now that I know that Skip stopped because he knew he was toast, the reset seems natural.

[JeanryChandler]

I have started uploading some new clips. Here are some of sword and buckler.

http://www.iregames.com/jr/slumfu2.htm

More will be coming up through the weekend.

J

[Alfred Wong]

Jean,

Both of you were usng sword/buckler? How heavy are the sword you were using by the way?

Alf

[JeanryChandler]

Yes, in those clips we were both using sword and buckler. His buckler is a real steel one, mine is plastic <img src="/forum/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" />. The swords are designed to be sideswords, i.e. "espada de lato" to the Italians, or "espada ropera" in Spanish. These are cut-and-thrust swords, an early version or variant of the rapier, slightly broader in the blade and not as long as some of the more 'traditoinal' more thrusting-specalized rapiers. They feature handguards and finger guards for the 'fingered' grip, and weigh just under two pounds, as do the steel replicas and originals that I was basing them on. They are also a little more flexible than our normal swords, having a lighter core.

J

[JeanryChandler]

Yeah, I understand better Anthony. In the old days we used to experiment with a variety of techniques, the old SCA / monty python lose one limb at a time thing, hit points where you had to take two or three hits before you were 'dead', even submission rules where you fight until you give up. Since discovering WMA we switched to the I think more realistic and training - effective method that any hit is a kill. Skip is from the old group so he's just getting used to the new system, we are all trying to train ourselves to quickly agknowledge hits and indicate them for the camera. Hopefully in the future our film clips will be clearer to everybody.

Very light hits and skims are ignored though, and if someone does ignore even a good hit though I think it is a good idea to be ready to defend yourself. Sometimes we do drills where the attacker is 'invulnerable'.

J